Was I colluding?

[MXRider]

While discussing a video that I had taped a question came up that I was colluding with another player that I knew, but I had never really looked at it with his point of view.

The situation: Myself and 2 other people that I know were playing some 50nl. One of the players was on AIM with me. In the video, acquaintance one raises utg, I fold and it folds around to the BB (acquaintance 2) who chats in IM what his hand is. I comment that I won't comment on this hand as it is between 2 people that I know and chuckled that he was on his own on what to do.

We rail one another frequently to improve our games and sometimes we sit at the same table and will give the other advice on a hand after the other person has mucked their cards. Someone questioned this as collusion, which I didn't feel it is anywhere close as I am giving complete unbiased information on how I think he should play the hand.

Example: I'm UTG and fold. Acquaintance tells me he has AQ and raises after I fold. The button, who has been very tight and never 3 bets does exactly that. He asks me what to do and I tell him to fold.

Now, is that collusion?

[Fumseck]

Is it colluding? NO, not in my opinion. For me colluding would take a more active approach.

But because you are in the hand and you know 4 of the cards when your friend tells you his cards, I think you should not give advice because you have more information than any other player on the table.

You can give advice AFTER the hand is finished.

[Bullajami]

[MXRider]

[Willem]

[Taardvark]

Not collusion but it certainly violates the one person, one hand rule.

[chrisjp]

[chrisjp]

[Bullajami]

[chrisjp]

I know this is sort of heresy, but I really don't like online because of all this. I don't like pokertracker or sharkscope or any of it. I don't like worrying about bots and the like. Live is so much more interesting to me.
I love the convenience of online; I love the reps you can get in to learn and improve; I love the relationships I've developed through online.
I know I live in Vegas so I have an easy alternative.
Do I like the fact that you can advise someone during a hand online. No, but it's all part of the deal. I wish it were the way Bull advocates. But it isn't.

[Bullajami]

[chrisjp]

[Doc T River]

As others have said, just because you can get away with something does not make it right.

I think it was collusion, but it was inadvertent.

[mclelands]

I definitely do not think this is collusion. Dankimball and myself used to do this quite a bit (not much lately since we're both multitabling mostly.) I think if you give him information based off what 2 cards you had then it would cross the line. I can fold a hand then give advice w/o using from the cards I held, mostly b/c I can't remember what I held after I fold. LOL Basically, I think if you give adviced based on a players stats and/or notes on that player then it is acceptable.

[toronexti]

I think there's a simple solution to this dilemma.

Have everyones cards face up all the time, make it so much more fun.