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Willem
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| Hmmm, these look interesting. I am definitely going to read these. A haven't read any book from Barry Tannenbaum so I look forward to alternative views on the game. I'm interested in reading some reviews but I will likely read them anyway.... |
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loyo1
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Guessing you are both familiar with his articles archive over at Cardplayer? It's huge, and can keep a person busy for a while.
He does have his own site, with a small forum. Not a super busy place, and oriented more to live play, but Barry (pokerbear) often comments on hand histories, which is kinda cool.
http://www.barrytanenbaum.com/
Site says books should be released in the US mid-September, a couple weeks earlier perhaps in Great Britain/Europe.
Edit: The publisher has a site where you can read excerpts (extracts) of both books. For Advanced Limit Holdem you can see the Intro, Table of Contents, and a section from Chapter 9. Just found it:
http://www.dandbpoker.com/book_detail.php?id=28 |
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AlamedaMike
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You can order his book via amazon from a publisher in Europe (as I did) or just wait until amazon has it available.
Since I play way more live than online his site is good for me. I post there sometimes.
He has 70+ artilces in cardplayer and I have read ever one several times. |
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AlamedaMike
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I received Barry's book and I find it interesting reading. If you have come across Ed Miller's article Marco and Micro Poker you will notice that Barry's book is more toward playing Macro poker. I think Barry's book is a great addition to the poker literature. I imagine you could apply the concepts to online but I think it is more suited to live play at middle limits.
However, anyone playing on my tables should not read it.  I think that the average poker player does not read any good books and if they do they do not absorb the contents. Also, just reading it will not improve your game that much - you have to apply what you read. So, I do not think that the players that I encounter will have read his book and if they have will not likely use the knowledge.
Bottom line: This book will not make the games that I play any tougher. Which is good because I am just beating them for about 1 small bet/hour.
Of course, this is just my opinion and you can take it for what it is worth. |
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nukeduke
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| Is this ifficially on the market? I don't see it in the ITH store. |
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AlamedaMike
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| nukeduke wrote: | | Is this ifficially on the market? I don't see it in the ITH store. |
Currently, you can get it from Amazon.com from a distributer in Europe. I got my copy from the BookDepository via amazon.com. |
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Willem
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I just got this book: http://www.dandbpoker.com/book_detail.php?id=28
Read a few chapter and I must say, I really like it. It's a good compliment for the Stox book since it covers almost exactly what stox book doesn't. |
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Fenris78
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I ordered the other one today, but it will take 2 weeks until they can ship it :/
Willem, do you think that "Advanced Limit Hold'em Strategy" is useful for short-handed play too? |
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Willem
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| Fenris78 wrote: | | Willem, do you think that "Advanced Limit Hold'em Strategy" is useful for short-handed play too? |
It is useful for any kind of game, maybe not so much for heads-up but definitely useful in 3+ handed games. The book is about things such as table image, situational play, balance, reading opponents. The Stox book is all about range, equity and maximize, just science really. Barry's book covers more high level concepts. It's isn't necessarily better but it just covers different topics and provides alternative views on certain situations. It is a bit geared towards live play though but still quite useful online. |
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AlamedaMike
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| Willem wrote: | | Fenris78 wrote: | | Willem, do you think that "Advanced Limit Hold'em Strategy" is useful for short-handed play too? |
It is useful for any kind of game, maybe not so much for heads-up but definitely useful in 3+ handed games. The book is about things such as table image, situational play, balance, reading opponents. The Stox book is all about range, equity and maximize, just science really. Barry's book covers more high level concepts. It's isn't necessarily better but it just covers different topics and provides alternative views on certain situations. It is a bit geared towards live play though but still quite useful online. |
There is a companion bookwhere Barry collaborated that is specific for short handed play.
Since I play more live than online I like Barry's book - it is for middle limit but some of it can be applied to the 6/12 games that I play - sometimes there are several 15/30 and 30/60 players waiting for a game. I need to know how to deal with them. |
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Willem
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| AlamedaMike wrote: | | There is a companion bookwhere Barry collaborated that is specific for short handed play. |
I just ordered it. Apparently, amazon UK is the only online store which has this book. Look forward to reading it. |
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Fenris78
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| Thanks Mike, that's the book I ordered today |
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AlamedaMike
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| Fenris78 wrote: | | Thanks Mike, that's the book I ordered today |
ah - the other one Good - please let me know if you think it would apply to games where there are about 6-7 players on a 10 player table.
Often times the 6/12 live games will get short just before the NL tournament and stay that way for about 1-1.5 hours.
Last Sunday I started on a 6/12 table at 10:30 AM and the NL MTT started at noon. So, it was 5-7 players for over an hour 12-1.
BTW, I won 15 hands in that session (3 hours). More than usual for a full ring. I did not keep count of the hands when we were short - I toked $1 and had the dealer cut a $2 chip each time - e.g I had 15 $1 chips and won 60 $2 chips.
Ring games - I prefer 8-9 players, 7-10 is fine, 6 is okay and 5 is too short for my liking but I will hang in for a bit if it looks like it will fill. I won't play less than 5.
Edit - actually last year I played in a 12/24 game when it was 7 handed. I used my best short-handed strategy that I could muster and cleaned up nicely. That game is best played 6-7 handed. |
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Fenris78
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Yeah, sry for my blurry wording
Sure, I'll tell you if it's useful, once I got it. But it seems to be at least one more week until I will get the book. Going to reread Stox in the meanwhile. Not sure yet about "Advanced concepts". Probably going to read it too, when I find the time. |
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