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BlindLemon
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 Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:53 am Post subject: Two blind play questions |
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My blind play sucks. Learning to play blinds decently would probably make a big difference in my game. Somehow I have lost the drive to improve my game and poker has been actually a bit boring.
Anyway, here are a couple of questions considering the small blind.
Barry Tanenbaum suggests that is if there is at least two limpers then one should complete with any two suited and any one or two gappers. This seems a bit loose to me.
He also says that when there is only one limper and you are going to play then you should almost always raise. I probably just complete too often, but raising nearly 100% of the time seems simply too aggressive.
Any thoughts?
The Tanenbaum article about small blind play can be found here
http://www.cardplayer.com/author/article/all/124/6303 |
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JasonG
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Hello
I would think this question is missing some variables that would alter my response. What are the player types of the limpers & BB? What is the chip stack count for each player? Etc etc.
However in general wouldnt it not be relative to card strength and pot odds?
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Taardvark
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BlindLemon,
The article you reference has to do with Limit. Are you playing Limit or No Limit?
As Jason has pointed out, there are a wide variety of factors that come into play, including which type of game you are playing. |
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JasonG
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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I would read colins book if you are playing S&G's. He covers a ton of scenarios about blind steals in various chip counts, positions, etc.
In general if you are in early position I would not attempt it in any case, especialy in limit $ 1/2, etc. Personall I would only do it if I was
1.) on the button and everyone folded
2.) On the button, mostly everyone folded and tights were left
3.) I had a decent hand that could be called or re-raised.
I play all S&G NL, FYI
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BlindLemon
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:27 am Post subject: |
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| Tanenbaum's article is about limit and of course the question is about limit. I don't see any point in referring to a Limit article when I'm asking about No Limit play.... And of course, there are many things that come to play. Anyway, I'm asking opinions about Tanenbaum's "default plays". |
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Primitive
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Two blind play questions |
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| BlindLemon wrote: | Barry Tanenbaum suggests that is if there is at least two limpers then one should complete with any two suited and any one or two gappers. This seems a bit loose to me.
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Your odds of flopping a flush draw is about 8 to 1 with any two suited.
With 4 or more in the pot playing on with only a draw is +EV while with less people in the pot its marginal (at best). Adding the odds of flopping two pairs or trips makes any two suited golden. You can usually just give up the hand easty if you only hit one pair.
Don't like the 2 gappers though.
| BlindLemon wrote: | | He also says that when there is only one limper and you are going to play then you should almost always raise. I probably just complete too often, but raising nearly 100% of the time seems simply too aggressive. |
With less people in the pot a draw will only be profitable when used as a semibluff. Set it up with the raise 
BTW:
You should tighten up a lot with 1 limper, especially if he is a calling station. |
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kpr16
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 4:47 am Post subject: Re: Two blind play questions |
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| BlindLemon wrote: | | Barry Tanenbaum suggests that is if there is at least two limpers then one should complete with any two suited and any one or two gappers. This seems a bit loose to me. |
Definitely not too loose. I don't think you need 2 limpers for any two suited. You're getting really good implied odds considering it's costing only half of a small bet. I play some pretty trashing hands with a lot of players in the pot. 35o Is an OK call, and not just because I'm an ITH'er 
I don't like raising in the SB with just one limper as often as Barry unless the BB has folded a hand in the past. This isn't the case in most 6 max games. Can anyone remember the last time they got the pot heads up with the limper? Eh, maybe once a month. |
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Bugsbunny
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: Two blind play questions |
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| kpr16 wrote: | | BlindLemon wrote: | | Barry Tanenbaum suggests that is if there is at least two limpers then one should complete with any two suited and any one or two gappers. This seems a bit loose to me. |
Definitely not too loose. I don't think you need 2 limpers for any two suited. You're getting really good implied odds considering it's costing only half of a small bet. I play some pretty trashing hands with a lot of players in the pot. 35o Is an OK call, and not just because I'm an ITH'er
I don't like raising in the SB with just one limper as often as Barry unless the BB has folded a hand in the past. This isn't the case in most 6 max games. Can anyone remember the last time they got the pot heads up with the limper? Eh, maybe once a month. |
What he said I routinely call with any 2 suited, any A, all no gaps and 1 gaps from 34 on up (I dislike 23, but will occasionally play it. Suited it's a play. 2 4 I'll usually play only if suited). 2 gaps are more touch and go T7 or 96 are meh. J8 is a definite play. 85 is a fairly certain muck (unless conditions are near perfect). |
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Willem
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| Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: Two blind play questions |
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| kpr16 wrote: | | I don't like raising in the SB with just one limper as often as Barry unless the BB has folded a hand in the past. This isn't the case in most 6 max games. Can anyone remember the last time they got the pot heads up with the limper? Eh, maybe once a month. |
Actually, in the games I play (1/2 and 2/4 6-max), this works fairly often. But this is probably due to the fact that the BB isn't aware as to what I'm doing, I doubt a 'smart' player will easily fold his BB here. |
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BlindLemon
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: Re: Two blind play questions |
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| Bugsbunny wrote: |
(I dislike 23, but will occasionally play it. Suited it's a play. 2 4 I'll usually play only if suited). |
Tx. I should play less hands than you probably. Especially those two gappers don't look good.
Could someone explain what's the difference between 23 and 24? 24 has more high card card strength and is a monster IMO |
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