Turn decision

[Spew]

Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008-08-08 21:29:15
6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ($23.80)
Seat 2: Player2 ($25.00)
Seat 3: Villain ($42.31)
Seat 4: HERO ($41.45)
Seat 5: Player3 ($56.13)
Seat 6: Player4 ($24.65)
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Villain: posts the small blind $0.10
HERO: posts the big blind $0.25
HERO:

DEALING POCKETS
Player3: calls $0.25
Three Folds
Villain: calls $0.15
HERO: checks

DEALING FLOP
Villain: checks
HERO: checks
Player3: checks

DEALING TURN
Villain: bets $1.15
HERO: raises $3.70 to $4.85
Player3: folds
Villain: raises $3.70 to $8.55
...

J7 JQ are the only hands that beat me right now. Although i do not have stats on the villain, I had a sense that he would not complete with a J7.

I pushed for 41$ or so. I have been talking this hand over with a few buddies and they think I played it wrong. But they cannot convince me, perhaps you can Their argument is that the villain is only going to call with a hand that beats me (namely the JQ).

My thinking is that with the 3bet still keeps quite a few hands in the villains range especially with the 2 2flush board.

Between the pair+flush draw, sets calling without the odds and the possibility of folding tie-ing opponent 7 hands the all-in makes sense to me.

[BigViking]

[emmapeel]

On the flop I have a double gutshot. I'm going to check too with a plan to check-raise.

On the turn villain has bet big and it is one card to a straight. The overbet looks more like villain is trying to protect a strong hand from the possible flush draws out there. It looks like villain may have the same straight but may also have a better straight or a worse hand like 2 pair which he is over-playing. I think I'm re-raising too as I think I'm doing good here. Calling is an option though for me.

After villain has put in another raise there is nothing really to be gained by re-raising again. It looks like villain has at least the same hand and I think I'm going to call this down now. It doesn't make much sense for villain to have a set or a flush draw now with the board being one card to a straight, unless villain hasn't noticed this.

EP

[emmapeel]

I think pushing on the turn is a big mistake. There is nothing to be gained when villain has the same hand and villain may even have a better hand. After the 3 bet into a board like this I think it would be rare for villain to have less than the straight.

EP

[Spew]

I hear the overwhelming agreement against my play (including my buddies). Lets say instead of raising or folding I simply called the 3bet (which I believe is the consensus)

...
HERO: calls 3.70

DEALING RIVER ( )
a) Villain: bets $10 (half the pot)
b) Villain: bets $20 (the pot)
c) Villain: raises all-in for $40
HERO: ?

[emmapeel]

What to do on the river is tricky. I think I will mostly be playing to tie the pot and very rarely to win it. I think I might just call a half pot bet here.

EP

[Taardvark]

I agree with EP. There is very little to gain here from making this pot bigger. I really can't think of a hand villian might be playing that is second best to your hand. You're probably tied although I would be all that surprised if you are beat, with QJ the most likely culprit, especially if they are clubs.

[Spew]

Thanks a lot for everyone's feedback.

I think where my thinking failed is that I have completely told my opponent that I have at least a 7. And any action he makes after that he does with that knowledge.

[Soultwister]