Trips and a FH on the River

[Damien]

Comments on this hand would be greatly appreciated... trips have become an issue for me lately.

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
8 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is BB with
UTG calls, 5 folds, Hero raises, UTG calls.

Flop: (2.5SB, 3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

Turn: (2.25BB, 3 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG caps, Hero calls.

River: (10.25BB, 3 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 14.25BB

[omega man]

this looks like a very serious leak in your game.
please do not raise this hand pre-flop
I cannot envisage a raise here under any circumstances with this hand or an even better marginal hand.
If you do not raise pre flop how would the hand play out,well u might c/r the turn and get 3 bet then you can slow down.

[Schlepper333]

I would not raise PF.

As played lots of players limp K10 UTG but if he had a set of tens he might have raised on the flop, unless he was slowplaying. He also could have K8, at least in the levels I play(.05/.10). Don't know how much different the play is at .50/1.00. But his cap on the turn worries me so I slow down and call the river as you did.

Schlepper

[Misunderstud]

Yeah, that's a bad pf raise. He'd be nuts to cap the turn and raise the river with a worse hand, so I think bet/call is fine there, as is the turn. (I presume this is HU, and not 3 players as the converter states?) If he is nuts, make a note.

[teknique]

Bad PF raise, I like the flop bet in terms of deception, to me the flop call and then the turn action is a concern, and I'd need to know more (anything ) about the villian to know what he has. For the average 0.5/1 losing player, a 10 with a worse kicker is very possible, doubt he has an 8.

[Damien]

I agree, bad PF raise there. He was indeed slowplaying KT on the flop. Sorry the converter screwed that one up, it was heads up.... got another one for you. Here's a multiway with trips (no FH). I probably could have donk bet the flop, but the C/R seems ok as the PFR still had to act. Comments on this one are more than welcome also:

NOTE: You can see the results on this color background, so if you don't want to see them scroll down slowly

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
8 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is CO with
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, Button raises, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.5SB, 3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, Button bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, Button calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (6.75BB, 3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, Button raises, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (12.75BB, 3 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, UTG+1 caps, Hero calls, Button calls.

Results:
Final pot: 24.75BB
UTG+1 showed 8s 7s
Button showed Tc Td
Hero mucks 6s As

[omega man]

hi i would have waited until the turn to raise and then gone into calldown mode.
However,when the UTG wakes up on the river i fold.
He has bet into 2 people with lots of aggression he must have a hand its the river and he is OOP.
The only thing i can say to you is caution with trips as opposed to sets.
I can tell you lots of stories where i have been BB v SB and i have lost with trips because i lost to trips with a bigger kicker.

[Misunderstud]

I think this hand shows why you should play trips fast. You think you're golden on the flop, so c/r, but a bet followed by a raise from the pfr would make UTG+1 pay double for his draw or fold. BTN will often have an overpair or a big A and you'll be in good shape to take the pot. Calling the turn raise and then raising the river doesn't make sense. If you think you're ahead on the river, you must think you're ahead on the turn, so why don't you 3-bet there?

I'd bet the flop. If BTN raises, call and c/r the turn. I'd usually cap the turn if reraised, then bet/call the river if it's HU. As played, I'd put another raise in on the turn and slow down if it's capped.

[shallam]

Preflop.

I think a raise is pretty ambitious in a typical very loose low limit game. OTOH, against just one opp it sure is nice to have the aggression-hammer and give yourself the opportunity to put pressure on your opp to hit a hand. If this play works it's cool cause you win 3.5 bets (excluding your raise). OTOH, you risked 2 extra bets to win (one PF, one on the flop). So this play needs to work about 40% of the time to be profitable. You also have to be concerned about getting married to the hand when you are beat. If you make this play frequently consider trying to track some data to see if it is profitable.

Here is another strategy, check PF then bet out the flop regardless of the what the flop looks like. In general about 2/3 of the time the flop will mis any particular hand. For this play you risk only one extra bet on the flop to win 2.5 bets in needs to work about 30% of the time to be profitable.


So note two agg strategies above, the first being higher risk/reward than the second.


The flop.

Well the cards have caught up to your betting -- you have a mini-monster. Betting certainly makes sense. I would note that you could consider slowplaying here. The pot is somewhat small and flop somewhat draw-dry.

Betting is ok too. That's what you do and get called. So far so good.


The Turn.

Regardless of wether or not I slowplayed the flop I would bet the turn. Had I slowplayed the flop I might include a bit of a pause before betting. Hoping to convey uncertainty or weakness prior to the bet.

You bet and get raised, well that's a bit of a surprise. Given the strength of your hand a ReR is certainly in order. You 3 bet and he caps. Wow, what's going on here ? Now I think it's time to slow down, go into the think tank and do some hand analysis.

I'm having trouble putting him on a hand here. Inititally two types of hands would make sense Tx and Kx. But if he had Kx, just a pair he wouldn't cap. So either he's a lunatic or he has a hand more like Tx. Let's take a look at some possible hands.

Hands that beat us:
KK
KT
TA (beats us at the moment)
88
8T


Hands that we beat:
K-A, -Q, -J, -9, -7 on down
AA
QQ
JJ
99
77

I can't think of any hand that we can beat that he would play this way. Capping the turn is pretty extreme aggression. Is this guy a maniac ? Would your opp make this play with AK or KQ ? Would he just limp AK PF ? Doesn't seem right.

The turn action would slow me down. I like a check headed into the river.
This hand is starting to feel like a cooler.



The river.

I can certianly see why you would bet here based on the strength of your hand. But I have a nagging question. Why did my opp cap the betting on the turn ?

I like a check call, but a bet is reasonable too.



Summary.

If you lost this hand it was just unlucky. As you reflect on the hand you might ask yourself if you played the hand too aggressively. I would especially be looking at the play Preflop and on the River. The turn action certainly was a sign that something odd was going on, possibly a signal that you were beat.

You might have saved a bet or two, but there is no way you can fold. If you were beat you were destined to lose many bets.

[shallam]