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maf66 2K Club
Joined: 13 Oct 2004 Posts: 2448 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:48 am Post subject: Tricky spot with JJ |
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Stars $4 / 180. MP1 hasn't been at our table for long, so no reads. SB has already shown on a couple of occasions that she's happy to get her chips in the middle with good, but not necessarily premium hands (e.g. a few hands earlier she called 2 pushes with 99). I'm guessing here that she will call whatever I do.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00+$0.40 Tournament, 75/150 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB (t3024)
UTG (t6185)
UTG+1 (t6329)
MP1 (t3330)
MP2 (t3345)
MP3 (t7916)
Hero (CO) (t3445)
Button (t9973)
SB (t14554)
Hero's M: 15.31
Preflop: Hero is CO with ,
2 folds, MP1 calls t150, 1 fold, MP3 calls t150, Hero raises to t600, 1 fold, SB calls t525, 1 fold, MP1 raises to t3330 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero ??? |
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ImBetterDude
Joined: 18 Jul 2007 Posts: 747 Location: California
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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If you have a read that this player is solid, I'd be very very afraid that he limped / reraised with AA. If he has made some outlandish plays then his range would be a LITTLE wide, but I'd still be tempted to let the hand go...though I'd probably call. Readless...it's a feel decision, though it takes a pretty wreckless player to make that play with a medium or low PP. AK is a possibility I suppose also.
Tough spot. Being that you've already committed a serious hunk of chips, the pot odds are pretty juicy here, but the chances of being a 4/1 dog are legitimate. |
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toronexti 53o
Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 4242
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Your getting 2.71:1 to call if you know SB will come along so you need to have ~37% equity.
I ran a pokerstove thing on it:
MP1 = AK/AA/KK
SB = Top 10% of hands
Hero = JJ
Equities:
MP1 = 47%
SB = 20.9%
Hero = 32%
If you think MP1 might do this with some really marginal hands like a small pair or SC then you can probably call. |
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Radford 2K Club
Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 2757 Location: Sheffield, England
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: |
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| I most likely call here. |
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taz115 Hzamm9rd, Yo!!!
Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 8477 Location: Edmonton, Canada
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:54 am Post subject: |
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| I usually call here... and I'm usually wrong. I'm not sure how to define the range of a limp reraiser the first time I see him do it. I have seen players try this move with hands like small pp's and suited connectors though. |
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Cript Cheesehead
Joined: 13 Feb 2004 Posts: 5113 Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| taz115 wrote: | | I usually call here... and I'm usually wrong. I'm not sure how to define the range of a limp reraiser the first time I see him do it. I have seen players try this move with hands like small pp's and suited connectors though. |
I usually put em on 44-99, KK/AA |
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maf66 2K Club
Joined: 13 Oct 2004 Posts: 2448 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the replies. I did fold in the end for 2 reasons:
1. I was unsure as to what MP1 was making that play with.
2. I didn't fancy my chances with JJ in a 3 way all-in battle.
It turned out that MP1 was an idiot. I wished I'd seen a bit more of him earlier. I did double up thru him later, but a triple up here would've been nice.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00+$0.40 Tournament, 75/150 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB (t3024)
UTG (t6185)
UTG+1 (t6329)
MP1 (t3330)
MP2 (t3345)
MP3 (t7916)
Hero (CO) (t3445)
Button (t9973)
SB (t14554)
Hero's M: 15.31
Preflop: Hero is CO with ,
2 folds, MP1 calls t150, 1 fold, MP3 calls t150, Hero raises to t600, 1 fold, SB calls t525, 1 fold, MP1 raises to t3330 (All-In), 2 folds, SB calls t2730
Flop: (t7560) , , (2 players, 1 all-in)
Turn: (t7560) (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: (t7560) (2 players, 1 all-in)
MP1 showed
SB showed
Total pot: t7560
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Scully
Joined: 25 Jul 2004 Posts: 729 Location: Manchester, UK
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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This is one of those situations where you curse that you folded PF, but gained some extremely useful info regardless that you can use against both players going forward - so not a total disaster.
Oh, and had you called, that river would be an A. Every time. |
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