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Tricky spot with JJ

 
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maf66
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:48 am    Post subject: Tricky spot with JJ Reply with quote

Stars $4 / 180. MP1 hasn't been at our table for long, so no reads. SB has already shown on a couple of occasions that she's happy to get her chips in the middle with good, but not necessarily premium hands (e.g. a few hands earlier she called 2 pushes with 99). I'm guessing here that she will call whatever I do.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00+$0.40 Tournament, 75/150 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t3024)
UTG (t6185)
UTG+1 (t6329)
MP1 (t3330)
MP2 (t3345)
MP3 (t7916)
Hero (CO) (t3445)
Button (t9973)
SB (t14554)

Hero's M: 15.31

Preflop: Hero is CO with Jack of Diamonds, Jack of Hearts
2 folds, MP1 calls t150, 1 fold, MP3 calls t150, Hero raises to t600, 1 fold, SB calls t525, 1 fold, MP1 raises to t3330 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero ???
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ImBetterDude



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a read that this player is solid, I'd be very very afraid that he limped / reraised with AA. If he has made some outlandish plays then his range would be a LITTLE wide, but I'd still be tempted to let the hand go...though I'd probably call. Readless...it's a feel decision, though it takes a pretty wreckless player to make that play with a medium or low PP. AK is a possibility I suppose also.

Tough spot. Being that you've already committed a serious hunk of chips, the pot odds are pretty juicy here, but the chances of being a 4/1 dog are legitimate.
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toronexti
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your getting 2.71:1 to call if you know SB will come along so you need to have ~37% equity.

I ran a pokerstove thing on it:
MP1 = AK/AA/KK
SB = Top 10% of hands
Hero = JJ

Equities:
MP1 = 47%
SB = 20.9%
Hero = 32%

If you think MP1 might do this with some really marginal hands like a small pair or SC then you can probably call.
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Radford
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I most likely call here.
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taz115
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually call here... and I'm usually wrong. I'm not sure how to define the range of a limp reraiser the first time I see him do it. I have seen players try this move with hands like small pp's and suited connectors though.
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Cript
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

taz115 wrote:
I usually call here... and I'm usually wrong. I'm not sure how to define the range of a limp reraiser the first time I see him do it. I have seen players try this move with hands like small pp's and suited connectors though.


I usually put em on 44-99, KK/AA
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maf66
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies. I did fold in the end for 2 reasons:

1. I was unsure as to what MP1 was making that play with.
2. I didn't fancy my chances with JJ in a 3 way all-in battle.

It turned out that MP1 was an idiot. I wished I'd seen a bit more of him earlier. I did double up thru him later, but a triple up here would've been nice.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00+$0.40 Tournament, 75/150 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB (t3024)
UTG (t6185)
UTG+1 (t6329)
MP1 (t3330)
MP2 (t3345)
MP3 (t7916)
Hero (CO) (t3445)
Button (t9973)
SB (t14554)

Hero's M: 15.31

Preflop: Hero is CO with Jack of Diamonds, Jack of Hearts
2 folds, MP1 calls t150, 1 fold, MP3 calls t150, Hero raises to t600, 1 fold, SB calls t525, 1 fold, MP1 raises to t3330 (All-In), 2 folds, SB calls t2730

Flop: (t7560) 3 of Clubs, 3 of Spades, 5 of Hearts (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t7560) 10 of Spades (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t7560) Jack of Clubs (2 players, 1 all-in)

MP1 showed Ace of Spades Ten of Hearts
SB showed 9 of Clubs 9 of Hearts

Total pot: t7560

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Scully



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is one of those situations where you curse that you folded PF, but gained some extremely useful info regardless that you can use against both players going forward - so not a total disaster.

Oh, and had you called, that river would be an A. Every time.
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