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TPTK vs Blind in raised pot...Push flop or wait til turn?

 
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Cheesehead


Joined: 13 Feb 2004
Posts: 5113
Location: Milwaukee, WI

PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:47 pm    Post subject: TPTK vs Blind in raised pot...Push flop or wait til turn? Reply with quote

Always interested in situations like this.

I don't think it's even close

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10+$1 Tournament, t2500/t5000 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 (t204396)
MP3 (t69932)
Hero (CO) (t174039)
Button (t284802)
SB (t129948)
BB (t79842)
UTG (t31240)
UTG+1 (t77266)
MP1 (t50296)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Ace of Diamonds, Queen of Hearts
5 folds, Hero raises to t15000, 1 fold, SB calls t12500, 1 fold

Flop: (t39500) Queen of Clubs, 9 of Diamonds, 4 of Clubs (2 players)
SB bets t35000, Hero calls t35000

Turn: (t109500) 10 of Clubs (2 players)
SB bets t79448 (All-In), Hero calls t79448

River: (t268396) 10 of Hearts (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: t268396
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jmbreslin



Joined: 27 Sep 2005
Posts: 936

PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, I don't know if I could let myself get crippled there. Pot-sized donkbet followed by a 3/4 pot push on a scary turn card. I definitly go with pushing the flop there. If he flopped a set, so be it. He's probably on some sort of pair+FD combo. I charge him the max to chase his draw. I don't like calling the flop and then calling that turn.
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emmapeel
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Joined: 05 Feb 2006
Posts: 2533
Location: Edinburgh

PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a big bet that villain has made on the flop. He also did this instead of check-raising which has to mean something. It actually makes it a bit confusing as I would expect a good top pair hand to check-raise such as KQ. TT or JJ might have re-raised pre-flop and a lower pair might do a lot of things I suppose.

Could be a bluff or a draw too.

I think pushing is what I would do here. I should get called by a good top-pair hand and some draws too.

Calling to try to get more value out of the hand is tricky. It can always back-fire and I don't really see what it does. Something like 77 should fold to a push but might call a river bet if the cards fall right. Very flimsey so I think it is safest just to push.

On the turn it is worrying but I think I would have to call.

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