Top set in O/8

[toronexti]

Poker Stars
Limit Omaha Ring game
Limit: $10/$20
10 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $214
Hero: $600
UTG+2: $288
MP1: $335.50
MP2: $326.50
MP3: $609
CO: $547
Button: $448
SB: $603.50
BB: $509

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is UTG+1 with
UTG calls (1.5:1), Hero calls (2.5:1), UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls (3.5:1), 4 folds, SB calls (4.5:0.5), BB checks.

Flop: (5SB, 5 players)
SB bets, BB raises, UTG folds, Hero 3-bets, MP1 folds, SB caps, BB calls (14:2), Hero calls (16:1).

Turn: (8.5BB, 3 players)
SB bets, BB raises, Hero calls (11.5:2), SB calls (13.5:1).

River: (14.5BB, 3 players)
SB bets, BB raises, Hero ???

[toom]

I've read his three times, and i just can't put BB on a hand, or SB for that matter. Does someone have QT? If not, you're good for high, and I just can't put one of them on QT, except possibly KQTx or AQJT, and that hand doesn't justify the flop betting (KQTx shouldn't be capping, I don't think, but AQJT could, and that's a stretch).

The other explanation for BB's raising is some kind of high to go along with a nut low, like JJ23, something like that. Decent players at this level with a made low will jam their marginal high holdings, knowing that it might make you drop a better high that is not the nuts.

SB could have as little as a 23 only. Some players will cap with a nut low draw (one not made with A2) because they rightfully assume the likelihood of being quartered is reduced.

After considering all the possibilities, I'm thinking smooth call. I don't think SB 3-bets, so I don't think your 2BB risk will turn into 4. I think risking 2BB to win 10.25 is a play here. I just can't find QT in any decent combination they would hold. QT23 is a remote possibility since they are in the blinds, and that is the only combination that has you beat and fits BB's betting pattern. The likelihood of the various scenarios and the huge pot odds make this a slight +EV call to me.

[Autumn Harvest]

This is kinda tough. Is SB a good player?

He has either two things. Something like TQKx or JJ23.

Which makes it very difficult as both opponents will try and get it capped for their own half.

I'm thinking it's a little bit closer to a fold just because I haven't found players at 10/20 that will not cap here. If you were playing better players, I could find value in 3-betting (as to scare the others not into capping because they think they might be quartered).

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say SB had the nut straight and other villain had 23 and you got sandwiched.

[chillrob]

I know it is possible someone has QT here, but I certainly can't imagine ever folding this. It looks to me like most likely SB has 23 (or 44 or both) and BB has JJ. While someone could have had a combo draw, you can't know that with enough certainty to fold here.

Btw, any reason you didn't raise preflop with suited AA and a wheel card? Though I can't swear it would be correct, I would always raise that here.
It could have made your opponents fear the top set so you might not have gotten as much action here, but it also could have saved you at least half the pot if one of these jokers had decided not to defend his blind. There is almost no way they both had an actual reasonable hand preflop. I would have raised on the turn too - even if you were possibly behind at that point, you still had a good draw to top boat, and lots of equity if the SB is chasing low.

Rob

[nsidestrate]

I guess I might call here, but I think AH is more likely correct. Every big pot I've ever lost in O8 is when I called down with the second nuts for half the pot.

To turn this around a bit, if Hero held 52xx for the second nut low, everyone would be happy to fold without a second thought. I realize it isn't the same because O8 players play A2 like the nuts all day long and QT is harder to imagine here, but given that you are playing the blinds, KQTx or QTA2 or other variants are possible.

I don't think I could fold, but I wish I could.

[chillrob]

I see your point, but if I was foolish enough to get to the river in this hand with only 52, I think I would call as well. With 2 more aces available to the other players, and no one having raised preflop (as they would have with A23), I would think it was much more likely that the other players were both going for high (with maybe a bad low as well) and that the second nut low would be good. Whenever the nut low is not A2 I think you are much less likely to need the nut low to win.

Rob