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CroMagnon
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 Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:59 am Post subject: Too aggressive or is this just poker? |
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This is from a 2 table $20+2, we're down to 8. I wondered if I shouldn't have just pushed. I don't think pushing changes the outcome. The only way I get away from this hand is if I had limped. Is limping too weak or prudent at this stage of the tourney?
NOTE: This is a NL Tourney, don't know why the converter says Pot Limit.
Poker Stars
Pot Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t100/t200
8 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: t3040
UTG+1: t2670
MP1: t4385
MP2: t4255
CO: t3370
Hero: t2465
SB: t1570
BB: t5245
Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is Button with  
UTG calls t200 (pot was t300), 4 folds, Hero raises to t800, SB folds, BB raises all-in t5245, UTG folds, Hero calls all-in t1665.
Uncalled bets: t2780 returned to BB.
Flop:    (t600, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: t5230)
Turn:  (t600, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: t5230)
River:  (t600, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: t5230)
Results:
Final pot: t600
BB showed Ad Kd |
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nsidestrate
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| You are getting 2:1 on the call and a lot of range is probably a flip, so you have to call. Given that, you should have just shoved. I'm rarely going to put in 33% of my stack without just shoving. |
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CroMagnon
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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I realized when the BB pushed that after making the 4x raise I wasn't folding to anyone and like you said it was a poooosh.
Is limping totaly out of the question? Without sounding like a braggart, I was the best player at the table (at least according to Sharkscope  ) I would likely have had other opportunities.
Thanks,
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chrisjp
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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Your right on the edge of shoving with that stack. I normally use the 1/3 rule. I'd probably push but I might limp. If the board comes with and A or two broadways and he bet I might give it up...esp. since you are the best player. Against a tougher field I'd push all day.
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ciaran
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd never limp this, push or fold. I only consider folding if I think UTG has a clue/is trappy. |
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jmbreslin
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| ciaran wrote: | | I'd never limp this, push or fold. I only consider folding if I think UTG has a clue/is trappy. |
Ditto. If you're going to raise that hand, you have to just push. Limping for 200 when you only have 12BB and playing for set value would be a big leak. |
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chrisjp
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| Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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I don't have a problem with the criticism of limping with one exception. I'm not limping for set value. I want to see the texture of the flop in position and then proceed accordingly. I have a good hand here without improvement depending upon the flop.
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Radford
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| Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I might just push allin. If you just raise the standard amount (800), then your basically committed anyway. So i probably just ship it all in. |
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cowboyinexile
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| ciaran wrote: | | I'd never limp this, push or fold. I only consider folding if I think UTG has a clue/is trappy. |
Thats what I was thinking. UTG limping affects your decision here. If he's not in the pot, any raise is allright-if you are first to enter the pot, either you take down the blinds or have a justifiable call. With an early position limper, you gotta look at him and think about if he's a player or not.
Me, with a M of 8, it creates a tough decision. BB re-raised with a UTG limper and MP raiser-at the very least you are gonna be calling into a race here. UTG not calling this makes me think maybe you can push him around when he is in the blinds later, but this doesn't help you now. It comes down to a head versus heart decision. Me, my head is telling me to get away and my heart is telling me to race with the sucker. You call and show a decent hand-your chips are in the pot and its up to the cards. You fold and the more astute players are gonna pick on you when you are in the blind. Either way, its not the best situation to be in.
If this were me, I probably would have limped here. Its a weaker play than most here would recommend, but you are looking to trap here. With 8's here, you wanna hit a set or get away if the flop misses you. A value bet is scary as a re-raise from UTG will force you out of the pot. If you limp and bb comes over the top hard, well you can still get away from the hand. Although I don't believe you played the hand incorrectly, I think a simple call is the best play here. |
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