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chrisjp
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 Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject: This is what chip leaders do after Day 2 |
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Brian Schaedlich was the ship leader after Day 2. A massive chip lead. I was talking with TP or Matthew yesterday and said this guy won't make it beyond Day 4. Well here's a hand recounted in part from Pokernews:
Brian Schaedlich limped from early position before Jeff Kimber raised to 6,000 from the button and Schaedlich made the call before the flop came Q53rainbow.
Schaedlich checked to face a 6,000 bet from Kimber that he raised up to 15,000. Kimber then reraised up to 50,000 before Schaedlich raised again and for all his chips. It was a huge raise considering how deep these two were.
Kimber snap-called with QQ. and a shell-shocked Schaedlich turned over AA. Blanks on turn and river and the the biggest pot of this year's Main Event , a massive 681,000, is shipped to Jeff Kimber.
Easy come, easy go.
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jrspm
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow, so sick. |
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chrisjp
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:20 am Post subject: |
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At the bubble they show him well back in the pack with a barely above average stack of 281K. He should be gone early tomorrow. We will see.
Chris |
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jrspm
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:54 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Brian Schaedlich started today as the big chip leader. How a day spent around the baize can change things. He leaves today with just 22,000 in his bag. |
Busted in a ~700k pot with top pair. |
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mash_tun
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Location: CT, USA
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:36 am Post subject: |
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| jrspm wrote: | | Quote: | | Brian Schaedlich started today as the big chip leader. How a day spent around the baize can change things. He leaves today with just 22,000 in his bag. |
Busted in a ~700k pot with top pair. |
lol spewaments! |
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chrisjp
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So he goes into today with an M=2.
This fall from grace is characteristic of all kinds of tournaments. The big leaders early in many BJ and Baccarat tournaments that I used to play almost invariably flamed out. You didn't have to go chase them. On one huge hand he hit a double gutter on the river. In another his A4>AK. They are reckless and usually clueless players who would eventually come back to earth.
You might have just made 15 passes in a row at the Craps table and built up your fortune, but it's still about 50-50 whether you will make the next one.
They burn brightly but briefly.
Brian, you are this year's winner of the "Dmitiri Cup." It's kinda sad, but it's par for the course.
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Taardvark
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: Re: This is what chip leaders do after Day 2 |
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| chrisjp wrote: | Brian Schaedlich was the ship leader after Day 2. A massive chip lead. I was talking with TP or Matthew yesterday and said this guy won't make it beyond Day 4. Well here's a hand recounted in part from Pokernews:
Brian Schaedlich limped from early position before Jeff Kimber raised to 6,000 from the button and Schaedlich made the call before the flop came Q53rainbow.
Schaedlich checked to face a 6,000 bet from Kimber that he raised up to 15,000. Kimber then reraised up to 50,000 before Schaedlich raised again and for all his chips. It was a huge raise considering how deep these two were.
Kimber snap-called with QQ. and a shell-shocked Schaedlich turned over AA. Blanks on turn and river and the the biggest pot of this year's Main Event , a massive 681,000, is shipped to Jeff Kimber.
Easy come, easy go.
Chris |
If you can't get away from aces in this spot you don't deserve to be our World Champion, let alone getting way too cute with aces out of position pre flop. |
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SpaceLord
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: This is what chip leaders do after Day 2 |
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| Taardvark wrote: | | chrisjp wrote: | Brian Schaedlich was the ship leader after Day 2. A massive chip lead. I was talking with TP or Matthew yesterday and said this guy won't make it beyond Day 4. Well here's a hand recounted in part from Pokernews:
Brian Schaedlich limped from early position before Jeff Kimber raised to 6,000 from the button and Schaedlich made the call before the flop came Q53rainbow.
Schaedlich checked to face a 6,000 bet from Kimber that he raised up to 15,000. Kimber then reraised up to 50,000 before Schaedlich raised again and for all his chips. It was a huge raise considering how deep these two were.
Kimber snap-called with QQ. and a shell-shocked Schaedlich turned over AA. Blanks on turn and river and the the biggest pot of this year's Main Event , a massive 681,000, is shipped to Jeff Kimber.
Easy come, easy go.
Chris |
If you can't get away from aces in this spot you don't deserve to be our World Champion, let alone getting way too cute with aces out of position pre flop. |
Bingo.
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poker_Elmo
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: Re: This is what chip leaders do after Day 2 |
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| SpaceLord wrote: | | Taardvark wrote: | | chrisjp wrote: | Brian Schaedlich was the ship leader after Day 2. A massive chip lead. I was talking with TP or Matthew yesterday and said this guy won't make it beyond Day 4. Well here's a hand recounted in part from Pokernews:
Brian Schaedlich limped from early position before Jeff Kimber raised to 6,000 from the button and Schaedlich made the call before the flop came Q53rainbow.
Schaedlich checked to face a 6,000 bet from Kimber that he raised up to 15,000. Kimber then reraised up to 50,000 before Schaedlich raised again and for all his chips. It was a huge raise considering how deep these two were.
Kimber snap-called with QQ. and a shell-shocked Schaedlich turned over AA. Blanks on turn and river and the the biggest pot of this year's Main Event , a massive 681,000, is shipped to Jeff Kimber.
Easy come, easy go.
Chris |
If you can't get away from aces in this spot you don't deserve to be our World Champion, let alone getting way too cute with aces out of position pre flop. |
Bingo.
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Well, the effective stacks were about 160 big blinds (I think bb here was 2K, right?). It is tough to get away from AA with stacks less than 200 big blinds deep unless you have a real good read on the tendancies of your opponents. But, knowing you are against another big stack, post-flop caution could have cut the loss in half.
The limp-calling preflop was horrible. |
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ImBetterDude
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: This is what chip leaders do after Day 2 |
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"The limp-calling preflop was horrible."
Limp/calling preflop with Aces in any circumstance is pretty bad. Limp calling in the WSOP Main Event, as the chip leader, going against the only stack that can hurt you, and then playing with wreckless aggression on the flop against an opponent showing massive strength...well, it's just indescribable. |
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Piscivorous
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| Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:26 am Post subject: |
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| chrisjp wrote: | | This fall from grace is characteristic of all kinds of tournaments. The big leaders early in many BJ and Baccarat tournaments that I used to play almost invariably flamed out. You didn't have to go chase them. On one huge hand he hit a double gutter on the river. In another his A4>AK. They are reckless and usually clueless players who would eventually come back to earth. |
You are indeed correct sir. Does anyone remember Olaf Olafssen in the 2003 [Moneymaker] WSOP? This guy had the massive chiplead on day 2 or 3 [perhaps 4?] Anyway he was out in back to back hands because he messed with other big stacks.
I think we have all seen these massive flame-outs by people who built their chipstacks on, as Chris points out, clueless, reckless play. Online and live make no difference. They get big stacks, but once they get them can't stop playing recklessly and cluelessly.
I used to play rebuys exclusively. I used to track the top 10 first hour finishers. Then after the tournament, I would track them again, and ~95% would not finish in the FT and ~75% wouldn't finish ITM at all. That for a 6 hour MTT where streaks are more likely to maintain their momentum.
Now throw these same players into a WSOP format and you can see why the WSOP is rife with online players who accumulate chips through their regular play style and then burn out brilliantly. |
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