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mchilger ITH Founder and Poker Author
Joined: 30 Jun 2003 Posts: 5832 Location: Atlanta, Georgia
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:47 am Post subject: The future of poker books |
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What is your take on the future of poker books? What trends do you see developing in the next 1-2 years? What niches do you still think need to be filled.
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NickChristenson
Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 31 Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Oooh. Good questions.
First, I think until we can get a lot of new people interested in online poker again, I think poker in the United States has peaked. I don't think it will crash, and I don't expect overall interest to drop to 1990s levels, at least any time soon, but I think the peak is behind us.
That will mean interest in things like poker books is almost certainly waning from the peak. Yeah, I've badly mis-timed the market. The last couple of years we've seen well in excess of 50 poker books released per year from the major and well-known niche publishers. I think we'll see this number start to drop over the next few years. There will always be room for very good new books, but the inundation of repetitious books with titles like "Tournament Poker for Mouth Breathers" will drastically slow down.
With the peak in poker interest, I'm hoping that the folks who stick around will be the more serious-minded players. I expect that Hold'em will continue to be dominant, but I'm hopeful that players will become interested in other games as well. I'm also hoping that mixed games in tournaments and at lower stakes will start to become more popular, especially considering the interest in the 50K HORSE event at the WSOP.
I expect the books that do come out over the next few years to become more specialized. Especially after the Harrington cash game books come out (I haven't read these yet), I expect that to pretty much put a sock in the soup-to-nuts NL book market. I think there will still be NL books, but they'll focus on more narrow aspects of the game. In that regard, I think "Winning Strategies for No-Limit Hold'em" will be a harbinger of things to come. I'm also hoping that there will be an emerging market on other games as well.
If someone is looking to write a poker book, there are a couple of areas that I think are unsatisfied and ripe for a book to fill the niche. Number one on my list is a book on online poker tools. We need a book that discusses the following topics: Which hand history organizers do what? What things should we be doing with our hand histories? Which HUDs do what? Which HUDs work with which hand history aggregators? Which software do the big poker sites allow, and which do they not allow? How do people get around these restrictions? This is an untapped area.
Another game that has a niche popularity with no book on the subject is Badugi. Writing this one won't make you rich, but if you *know* the game and do a good job, you may be able to write a category-killer, and that's not bad. I think Stud8 is an underserved game, as is pineapple. Again, these books won't make you rich, but done right, you can close out the topic, much as Sklansky did (IMHO) with "Sklansky on Razz" within "Sklanksy on Poker". |
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Doc T River
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 328 Location: amongst my poker books or somewhere playing poker
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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Do you think we will see any kind of rating system on poker books? By that I mean something on the back cover (or somewhere) telling people what level of player the book is for.
I used to post on another forum and too often I would see a book criticized by a very experienced player who criticized the book because it did not approach the game at the level he was on. The criticizer would ignore the fact that the book was not written for his level.
I still read the comments on that forum and I must say I see your book coming under this unfair criticism.
I think making it clear what level the book is for would help everyone. I have over forty books and I have a number that I bought when first starting out that I would not have bought had I known it was written for players at an experience level greater than where I was.
So do you think my idea is possible or would it limit book sales too much. |
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NickChristenson
Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 31 Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Do you think we will see any kind of rating system on poker books? By that I mean something on the back cover (or somewhere) telling people what level of player the book is for. |
I doubt it. I completely agree in the need for this, but I don't have any idea how it would be implemented. The bottom line is I don't know how to evaluate what the different levels would be.
You ask about whether publishers would go for this. I don't know how much it would affect book sales, but I think they would fear that it would do so adversely. Because of this fear, I don't know if people would adopt it enough to make it meaningful.
Another issue is what sorts of ratings do people want? I suppose information on game type or "general poker" would be useful. Personally, I'd like to know if a book was strategy, entertainment, "poker self-help", or whatever. At the same time, some books resist straightforward categorization. I could go on at length on this issue, but I'll resist the urge.
Russ and I faced the issue you bring up in the writing of our book. We make no bones about the fact that we believe that our book is not appropriate as a first book on NL hold'em for most players. In fact, we state this right in the preface of the book. On the other hand, we really don't want to tell anyone to not buy the thing.
Also, I'm not sure that most players do a good job of rating themselves. There are a lot of people out there who I suspect would rate themselves as "advanced" players who I think could benefit a great deal from our book. However, I freely admit that there are many players I would classify as "advanced" for whom our book probably doesn't help them that much. So, how should we pitch our book? We say it's for "intermediate and advanced" players, but even that is unsatisfying. I really don't know how to fix this, even though I agree it's an issue. Good book reviews and reviewers should help people determine whether a given book is appropriate for them or not, which brings me to your second issue ... .
| Quote: | | I used to post on another forum and too often I would see a book criticized by a very experienced player who criticized the book because it did not approach the game at the level he was on. The criticizer would ignore the fact that the book was not written for his level. |
This is really a pet peave of mine, and I'm relieved to see that it bothers other people as well. I'm really tired of reading reviews that go like, "I didn't learn anything from this book, therefore it really sucks and nobody should buy it." Then there are some who seem to go so far as to add, "And furthermore, everyone should boycott all who were involved in this book because of it." Any resemblance to any actual thread at another forum is purely coincidental, I assure you.
This is just silly. In my own reviews, I always try to keep in mind two questions, "Who is this book's audience," and "How well does it satisfy that audience." To me, it doesn't even matter what the book's intended audience is. I want to put people together with books that benefit them. What the book does for me doesn't matter very much. I sure don't need to read another version of "Tournament Poker for the Not So Sharp", but if this version is better at explaining tournament poker to its intended audience, then I'll happily endorse it for what it is.
Sometimes I find books that really appeal to me, and if I think I might like it more than the general public, I try to make that clear as well. I think these are the responsibilities of a respectable reviewer. I don't want to dismiss other reviewers, and this is certainly self-serving, but I don't believe that all reviews and reviewers are equally worthwhile.
I could go on for quite a while on this topic, but I'll leave off for now. It's hard for me to imagine a set of topics that's more in my wheelhouse than this one. |
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mchilger ITH Founder and Poker Author
Joined: 30 Jun 2003 Posts: 5832 Location: Atlanta, Georgia
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:51 am Post subject: |
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This will never happen. Sometimes it is hard to label a book. For example, I think ITH has a lot of advanced material, at the very least a lot of intermediate material, but many people recommend it as a "beginner's" book. I guess that goes into how you define a beginner - is he someone who doesn't know that a flush beats a straight, or does he understand the rules of the games, has played a little, and is buying his first book. Both are really beginners but ITH is much more suited for one than the other. I'm not sure how I would label ITH. I certainly want it appeal to players starting out, even though some of the material might be too advanced for them right now.
I also doubt a "rating" would matter too much. Books like Texas Hold'em for Advanced Players or Small Stakes Hold'em - Winning Big with Expert Play are bought by beginning and advanced players alike.
There are too many publishers, too many markets for that to happen. But that is why the internet is a valuable resource. I have a summary/overview of what books players should buy by game as well as others like Nick who reviews books. But for those browsers in the book stores, many will just have to be satisfied with Playing Like the Pros
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Doc T River
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 328 Location: amongst my poker books or somewhere playing poker
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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It is the buyers in the stores who have not done research on the web (and I was one when I first started buying) was one thing that motivated me to make this suggestion.
Given that people talk about basic poker being ABC, I thought maybe publishers could you the letters ABC. A would be for advanced, B would stand for Basic or Beginner, and C would stand for I don't know (complicated?). |
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