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Stud8: Interesting hand.

 
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Willem
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:48 am    Post subject: Stud8: Interesting hand. Reply with quote

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7 Card Stud Hi/Lo
Limit ($0.10/$0.20)
8 players

3rd Street: ($0.16, 8 players)
Seat 1: Queen of Hearts
Seat 2: 7 of Diamonds
Seat 3: Jack of Diamonds
Seat 4: 6 of Spades
Seat 5: 10 of Clubs
Hero: 6 of Clubs 4 of Spades 5 of Diamonds
Seat 7: Jack of Clubs
Seat 8: 5 of Hearts
Action:
Hero bets, Seat 7 calls, Seat 8 folds, Seat 1 folds, Seat 2 folds, Seat 3 folds, Seat 4 calls, Seat 5 folds.

I'm still not sure whether I should raise or just limp. My hand is very good but I also want to encourage action. I think I should have limped since the rest of the table demonstrated some kind of starting hand selection policy.

4th Street: ($0.46, 3 players)
Seat 4: 6 of Spades 5 of Clubs
Hero: 6 of Clubs 4 of Spades 5 of Diamonds 8 of Clubs
Seat 7: Jack of Clubs 3 of Hearts
Action:
Seat 7 bets, Seat 4 calls, Hero calls.

I don't really like my 8 but I think this is still a clear value raise. Even if Seat 7 has a pair of jacks, my equity is still over 43%.

5th Street: ($0.76, 3 players)
Seat 4: 6 of Spades 5 of Clubs 2 of Spades
Hero: 6 of Clubs 4 of Spades 5 of Diamonds 8 of Clubs 4 of Diamonds
Seat 7: Jack of Clubs 3 of Hearts 2 of Clubs
Action:
Seat 7 checks, Seat 4 bets, Hero calls, Seat 7 calls.

Seat 4 looks to be drawing to a low which will probably be better than my 8,6 low. If seat 7 has a pair of jacks and seat 4 has something like a 7, my equity is about 31% which is less than my fair share. I like my call here.


6th Street: ($1.36, 3 players)
Seat 4: 6 of Spades 5 of Clubs 2 of Spades King of Clubs
Hero: 6 of Clubs 4 of Spades 5 of Diamonds 8 of Clubs 4 of Diamonds 3 of Spades
Seat 7: Jack of Clubs 3 of Hearts 2 of Clubs Ace of Clubs
Action:
Seat 7 checks, Seat 4 checks, Hero bets, Seat 7 calls, Seat 4 calls.

Seat 4 caught bad and now checks, I don't think he has 2 low cards in the hole so my 8,6 low is probably winning here. In addition to that, I have an OESD and a pair which may become 2 pair/trips. I think this is a clear value bet, even if Seat 4 has something like a 7 and Seat 7 has a pair of jacks.


River: ($1.96, 3 players)
Seat 4: 6 of Spades 5 of Clubs 2 of Spades King of Clubs
Hero: 6 of Clubs 4 of Spades 5 of Diamonds 8 of Clubs 4 of Diamonds 3 of Spades 2 of Diamonds
Seat 7: Jack of Clubs 3 of Hearts 2 of Clubs Ace of Clubs
Action:
Seat 7 checks, Seat 4 checks, Hero bets, Seat 7 calls, Seat 4 folds.

I don't think this is debatable.

Results:
Total pot $2.36 | Rake $0.11

Any comments?
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ciaran
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No expert...

Your hand's not all that strong on 3rd. You're live low, but one of your straight cards is out and being live low will help prevent you from backing into two-pair/trips high. Limping seems fine.

On 4th, you've basically got a gutshot to a high and a decent low draw. I don't see a how a raise helps at this point, seat 7 shouldn't betting without a made high, and he's not folding it for a raise and seat 4's low isn't going anywhere, either.

On 5th, seat 4 shouldn't be drawing to anything, he should already have a 7, since he bet into your 8. He could have paired the 5 (more likely) or 2, though. Given that seat 7 has checked now and you've made a pair, it's possible raising to try to force out a high that's beating you is a good idea, I don't know.

On 6th, their checks do look really weak, but three of your OESD outs are gone, and three of your low outs are gone. Maybe a bet is still right, though, again I'm not really sure.

7th seems standard, you almost have to be good one way, and I'd be surprised if you weren't ahead both ways a lot of the time.
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Willem
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ciaran wrote:
Your hand's not all that strong on 3rd. You're live low, but one of your straight cards is out and being live low will help prevent you from backing into two-pair/trips high. Limping seems fine.


Even though a 5, 6 and 7 are out, I still have plenty of outs for both high and low. If I raise, I increase the chance of winning if I spike 2 pair/trips, giving me a better chance to scoop. On the other hand, more likely this will be a split so I would like as many opponents tagging along. A strait may also be good for high against multiple opponents. I think limping is indeed better.

ciaran wrote:
On 4th, you've basically got a gutshot to a high and a decent low draw. I don't see a how a raise helps at this point, seat 7 shouldn't betting without a made high, and he's not folding it for a raise and seat 4's low isn't going anywhere, either.


I wasn't suggesting raising to drive anyone out, I was suggest putting money in the pot while I am a favourite. Seat 7 looks to have split jacks. I am still a favourite unless Seat 4 has two hole cards 7 or lower. Whether or not a raise is correct depends on the likelihood of Seat 4 having 4 to a low. I think it's close.

ciaran wrote:
On 5th, seat 4 shouldn't be drawing to anything, he should already have a 7, since he bet into your 8. He could have paired the 5 (more likely) or 2, though. Given that seat 7 has checked now and you've made a pair, it's possible raising to try to force out a high that's beating you is a good idea, I don't know.


I agree, I was looking pot equities only. By raising, I might get rid of Seat 7 which will increase my chances to scoop.

ciaran wrote:
On 6th, their checks do look really weak, but three of your OESD outs are gone, and three of your low outs are gone. Maybe a bet is still right, though, again I'm not really sure.


I have a low (albeit a weak one), their checks look weak so I assume they don't have a made low. I am not going to give them a free card to draw to better low. The OESD and my 2 outs to trips are just bonus for a possible scoop.

ciaran wrote:
7th seems standard, you almost have to be good one way, and I'd be surprised if you weren't ahead both ways a lot of the time.


I did scoop the pot. Seat 7 showed Jack of Spades 3 of Diamonds Jack of Clubs 3 of Hearts 2 of Clubs Ace of Clubs 4 of Clubs.
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