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conradhex
Joined: 25 Sep 2008
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 Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:50 pm Post subject: straight |
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00+$0.20 Tournament, 75/150 Blinds (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB (t2010)
ConradHex (UTG) (t2295)
MP1 (t1890)
MP2 (t810)
CO (t4770)
Button (t200)
Villain (SB) (t1525)
Preflop: ConradHex is UTG with  , 
ConradHex calls t150, 1 fold, MP2 calls t150, CO calls t150, 1 fold, Villain calls t75, BB checks
Flop: (t750)  ,  ,  (5 players)
Villain checks, BB checks, ConradHex bets t150, MP2 calls t150, 1 fold, Villain calls t150, 1 fold
Turn: (t1200)  (3 players)
Villain checks, ConradHex bets t300, MP2 calls t300, Villain raises to t1225 (All-In)
What's the right response? |
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Cript
Cheesehead
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Fold preflop...instacall the turn without thinking twice. |
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Stormswa
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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make crying call.
its a $1 tourney though so he could have anything so actually you most likely are ahead to some weak 2 pair hand. |
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Stormswa
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Cript wrote: | | Fold preflop...instacall the turn without thinking twice. |
this also, if your going to play suited gaped connectors you need to be opening them. |
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conradhex
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, good, now I don't feel bad for calling.
And yeah, they had the K 10. Oh, well. |
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cowboyinexile
Joined: 28 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Cript wrote: | | Fold preflop...instacall the turn without thinking twice. |
Yep.
You have an M of about 10, so there is no need to get involved with this hand UTG.
On the turn, the only hand that beats you is K 10 and if he has that, well thats life.
Why did you min-bet the flop? Please don't take offense as I don't mean to knock on you or anything like that, but I play at this level online and see it a lot. I don't know what the min bet into a multi-way pot accomplishes. If Villian does have K 10 and is drawing to the inside strait, you are giving him a tempting price. Something like a t400 bet isn't gonna commit you to the pot and if someone shows real strength against you, will tell you where you stand. Personally, if I'm behind you and am sitting on something like pocket 4's, I'm more inclined to slow play a min bet, but would be willing to give you the option to get away from the hand if you put some chips in the pot. |
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Stormswa
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| cowboyinexile wrote: | | Cript wrote: | | Fold preflop...instacall the turn without thinking twice. |
Yep.
You have an M of about 10, so there is no need to get involved with this hand UTG.
On the turn, the only hand that beats you is K 10 and if he has that, well thats life.
Why did you min-bet the flop? Please don't take offense as I don't mean to knock on you or anything like that, but I play at this level online and see it a lot. I don't know what the min bet into a multi-way pot accomplishes. If Villian does have K 10 and is drawing to the inside strait, you are giving him a tempting price. Something like a t400 bet isn't gonna commit you to the pot and if someone shows real strength against you, will tell you where you stand. Personally, if I'm behind you and am sitting on something like pocket 4's, I'm more inclined to slow play a min bet, but would be willing to give you the option to get away from the hand if you put some chips in the pot. |
I minbet a ton, I mean a ton, usually its to make it seem like the guy has fold equity on me and will shove. So it tries to induce someone to bluff or semi bluff on a draw. I dont mind letting people draw its how I pick up value in hands and its easy to get away from my hand if the draw get's there. If he is drawing to a straight its only going to hit 25% of the time and a flush 33% of the time so I dont mind giving him that if im going to pick up value from him if he just flats me. If he shoves no me thinking he has fold equity, all the better. Obv I do this a ton more preflop in position and usually on the blinds. |
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cowboyinexile
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Stormswa wrote: | | I dont mind letting people draw its how I pick up value in hands and its easy to get away from my hand if the draw get's there. If he is drawing to a straight its only going to hit 25% of the time and a flush 33% of the time so I dont mind giving him that if im going to pick up value from him if he just flats me.. |
This example was an odd played hand, and I was curious about the min bet here.
However, in general, you would give a wide range of people 6 or 7:1 to draw against you? Personally, I'd rather make guys pay more for their draws-if I kill the pot, I win, and if they call and outdraw me, well at least I made it a tougher decision for them. |
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Stormswa
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| cowboyinexile wrote: | | Stormswa wrote: | | I dont mind letting people draw its how I pick up value in hands and its easy to get away from my hand if the draw get's there. If he is drawing to a straight its only going to hit 25% of the time and a flush 33% of the time so I dont mind giving him that if im going to pick up value from him if he just flats me.. |
This example was an odd played hand, and I was curious about the min bet here.
However, in general, you would give a wide range of people 6 or 7:1 to draw against you? Personally, I'd rather make guys pay more for their draws-if I kill the pot, I win, and if they call and outdraw me, well at least I made it a tougher decision for them. |
agreed I was more commenting on the general comment more then the specific one, I put in such a huge volume of games that I dont mind losing 1 or 2 or 10 tourneys by someone drawing out. It all depends on the opponent though if its someone calling down super light then yes im making them pay because I think they will call anyway. If its a smart thinking player I would rather give them correct odds but the most I can bet where I still think I can get a call.
Its just different outlooks on hands, I don't believe either is right or wrong. Of course im more of a MTT player so most of my comments on the forum will be towards there, how the hell I got into the STT section is beyond me  |
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conradhex
Joined: 25 Sep 2008
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:01 am Post subject: |
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| cowboyinexile wrote: |
This example was an odd played hand, and I was curious about the min bet here.
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Sorry, this can easily be explained by my poker n00bness. Volumes could be filled with what I don't know. But I prefer to learn by doing, and I'm really bad at memorizing systems with very specific advice. I play a little and read a little, and gradually I think I'm getting better.
As to playing this hand at all UTG, I was probably on minor tilt because I folded suited connectors preflop maybe 3 hands before this and they hit the flop hard. Silly, I know.
The min bet for me was to cheaply get more money in the pot in case I hit my straight. I wasn't really thinking about scaring off a higher straight. Also those min bets have the added side-effect of making people fold a surprising amount of the time (people who have flipped a switch in their head - "I'm not putting one more cent in this pot"), which simplifies things, and at discount prices. It's always a nice surprise when you outright win a pot with a min-bet.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure I'll look back on how I play now in 6 months and laugh. |
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Stormswa
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| Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 12:11 am Post subject: |
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| conradhex wrote: | | As to playing this hand at all UTG, I was probably on minor tilt because I folded suited connectors preflop maybe 3 hands before this and they hit the flop hard. Silly, I know. |
best advice ever is to forget what you folded as soon as you fold it, its something that will help you stop being so result orientated. As long as you make the correct decisions at the time you will do fine.
| conradhex wrote: | | The min bet for me was to cheaply get more money in the pot in case I hit my straight. I wasn't really thinking about scaring off a higher straight. Also those min bets have the added side-effect of making people fold a surprising amount of the time (people who have flipped a switch in their head - "I'm not putting one more cent in this pot"), which simplifies things, and at discount prices. It's always a nice surprise when you outright win a pot with a min-bet. |
its good that you have a reason for what you did, you always should have a purpose in your bets. The problem with this is by what you bet you gain really no information on his hand and therefore when he makes his move he made you still have no clue what he has. |
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ImBetterDude
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| Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2008 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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| conradhex wrote: | | cowboyinexile wrote: |
This example was an odd played hand, and I was curious about the min bet here.
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Sorry, this can easily be explained by my poker n00bness. Volumes could be filled with what I don't know. But I prefer to learn by doing, and I'm really bad at memorizing systems with very specific advice. I play a little and read a little, and gradually I think I'm getting better.
As to playing this hand at all UTG, I was probably on minor tilt because I folded suited connectors preflop maybe 3 hands before this and they hit the flop hard. Silly, I know.
The min bet for me was to cheaply get more money in the pot in case I hit my straight. I wasn't really thinking about scaring off a higher straight. Also those min bets have the added side-effect of making people fold a surprising amount of the time (people who have flipped a switch in their head - "I'm not putting one more cent in this pot"), which simplifies things, and at discount prices. It's always a nice surprise when you outright win a pot with a min-bet.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure I'll look back on how I play now in 6 months and laugh. |
What you did was make a blocking bet to ensure that you'd see the turn cheaply...and as an added benefit, you got some more juice in the pot in case you did end up hitting your hand. It's a sound strategy...but watch out for min bets. People read them for what they are sometimes and throw in big raises and put you in bad spots. |
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