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Semibluffing a four flush and medium pair at 7 Card Stud

 
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Holgininho



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:10 am    Post subject: Semibluffing a four flush and medium pair at 7 Card Stud Reply with quote

This is another hand I found difficult to play. I started with three to a flush, but two cards of my suit were already out. I decided to call the bring in nevertheless, because the table seemed rahter passive. Reasonable?

On 4th street I improved and called. On 5th street the player at seat 7 paused a while before betting. I therefore didn't give him much credit for a strong hand, though the pause could mean a lot of different things. With my pair of eights and the four flush I thought it was a good idea to raise to drive out the other players. I succeeded, and on 6th street I asked myself if I should continue semibluffing. I did, but I'm not sure if that was a good idea. I was out of position, so I couldn't hope to get a free showdown by betting.


7 Card Stud High ($2/$4), Ante $0,25, Bring-In $1 (converter)

3rd Street - (0.88 SB)

Hero: 7Spade: 4Spade: KSpade:___calls
Seat 2: xx xx THeart:___folds
Seat 3: xx xx AClub:___calls
Seat 5: xx xx TSpade:___calls
Seat 6: xx xx KDiamond:___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 9Spade:___brings-in
Seat 8: xx xx ADiamond:___folds

4th Street - (2.88 SB)

Hero: 7Spade: 4Spade: KSpade: 8Spade:___calls
Seat 3: xx xx AClub: QClub:___checks___calls
Seat 5: xx xx TSpade: KClub:___checks___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 9Spade: ASpade:___bets

5th Street - (3.44 BB)

Hero: 7Spade: 4Spade: KSpade: 8Spade: 8Club:___checks___raises
Seat 3: xx xx AClub: QClub: 2Diamond:___checks___folds
Seat 5: xx xx TSpade: KClub: 5Heart:___checks___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 9Spade: ASpade: 7Diamond:___bets___calls

6th Street - (7.44 BB)

Hero: 7Spade: 4Spade: KSpade: 8Spade: 8Club: 5Club:___bets
Seat 7: xx xx 9Spade: ASpade: 7Diamond: 2Club:___calls

River - (9.44 BB)

Hero: 7Spade: 4Spade: KSpade: 8Spade: 8Club: 5Club: JClub:___checks
Seat 7: xx xx 9Spade: ASpade: 7Diamond: 2Club: xx___checks

Total pot: (9.44 BB)
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Icall
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fold 3rd. 2 spades are dead, you have no connectivity, and a bunch of high cards including an Ace behind you. Easy fold. 3 flushes on 3rd need something else working for them aside from just being suited to warrant playing.

4th is an easy call, you don't want to knock people out.

I like 5th, now that you have a pair and the bets are doubled you want to knock the other players out to increase your equity. 2 medium pair can easily win this on the river HU. Definite raise.

I'd bet 6th if there were any chance he'd fold since the pot is already pretty big. If he calls, which he almost always will its not so bad anyway since I think you have a lot of outs, and are even ahead sometimes. I don't think check/calling is too bad either though since it prevents a raise, has a chance of getting you a free card, and there is practically no fold equity there anyway.

River, check is good. What would you do if he bet? After looking at the whole hand he looks like he had the nut flushdraw all along.
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Holgininho



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Icall wrote:
What would you do if he bet? After looking at the whole hand he looks like he had the nut flushdraw all along.


I honestly don't know. I hoped he would check behind with some weak made hand. I don't like folding the river in a 10 BB pot, given that he hasn't shown much strength throughout the hand. But I could only have hoped to catch a flush.

Regarding 3rd street it seems I have to learn to fold even more hands, but it's hard for me to just sit there and fold, after I have played mostly shorthanded limit hold'em over the last months.
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Icall
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Regarding 3rd street it seems I have to learn to fold even more hands, but it's hard for me to just sit there and fold, after I have played mostly shorthanded limit hold'em over the last months.


Its probably a little closer than I implied in my other post. Calling the bring in with any 3 suited isn't that bad. This one's still a definite fold due to the other 2 spades out and the big cards behind you but its not the biggest mistake in the world. If there were only 1 spade out it would be close.
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nsidestrate
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

3rd is a raise or fold situation. You generally would fold this hand because you have two dead spades and a dead King. However, when you have a high door card, it is often good for metagame reasons to raise first in with a three flush. I almost always raise three flushes with an Ace or King doorcard if I am the first raiser.

I prefer to bet fifth instead of going for the check-raise, but I think it worked out fine.

In my experience, virtually no one folds on sixth street (nor should they), so I don't know that the bluff is useful. If he catches good, you are letting him raise you and I don't think he is going to fold almost ever. I would always check-call here.
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Taardvark
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fold third also. You've got no secondary draws to speak of here and you are drawing to 9 spades only.

Once you play, fourth street is a call round. Were four flushing now, but another spade has been killed as well so now we've got 7 of 13 in play. 5th I don't think is a betting round but a calling round. It's obvious you are on a flush draw and I don't think the pair on the board is scary to anyone. You have picked up some additional outs so as long as you aren't facing any raises it's safe to continue and see what develops.

6th street is not a betting street also as Nside has elaborated on.

7th street is a clear check down. Not likely your eights are good but no use putting in anymore money. If villian has paired the ace or nine he's pretty much obligated to call based on the odds he's being given.
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Icall
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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5th I don't think is a betting round but a calling round.


Its definitely not a calling round when the bet comes from his right, there are 2 players behind him and he's got an open pair. Clear raise there IMO, and making these types of raises in 7-Stud is extremely important.
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Taardvark
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Icall wrote:
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5th I don't think is a betting round but a calling round.


Its definitely not a calling round when the bet comes from his right, there are 2 players behind him and he's got an open pair. Clear raise there IMO, and making these types of raises in 7-Stud is extremely important.


I 100% agree with you. I missed the positioning here. I didn't pick up the isolation play.
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