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Rockets HU-good or bad here?

 
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cowboyinexile



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:56 am    Post subject: Rockets HU-good or bad here? Reply with quote

Cake Poker Hold'em, $1.00 BB (2 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($7625)
SB ($7375)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A
SB calls $75, Hero checks

Flop: ($300) 2, 8, J (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $300, Hero raises to $600, SB calls $300

Turn: ($1500) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $750, SB calls $750

River: ($3000) 8 (2 players)
Hero raises to $6125 (All-In), SB calls $5875 (All-In)

Total pot: $14750 | Rake: $14736

I question showing no strength pre-flop, but was gonna make this "the" hand. When he called my min-raise, had him for a jack, and if he made trips on the turn, I had already committed myself to the hand, so a redraw would be my bad luck.
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ciaran
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I raise pre-flop, you're too deep to bother with trapping unless your opponent never calls pre-flop raises (in which case you should probably just start raising all kinds of stuff).

I make it 900 on the flop if I'm going to check-raise (which doesn't seem unreasonable as a line). If he has something, I'd like to try to get it in now. I'd go ahead and go for 1000 on the turn as played (2/3 pot or thereabouts if we get more in pre-flop/on the flop).

Shoving river is bad, given that you have 2x pot left behind. Better hands never fold, and worse hands (mostly jacks) that would call a normal bet can get away. River is a decision between value-betting vs jacks, and check-calling to avoid going broke vs 8s and backdoor flushes and to induce bluffs from straight draws. Given that you have the Ace of Diamonds and showed enough aggression on the flop/turn to fold at least some 8s/most draws, value-betting is probably best, but then you have to call his shove as you smash your mouse on the table.
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cowboyinexile



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ciaran wrote:


Shoving river is bad,


I hadn't thought about turning trips on the river before I read what you said, and I see that now. I was so focused on him having the jack that I didn't see his line if he caught mp (aside from possibly raising from SB against a competent opponent at this level, if he had an 8, I could see following his line.)

The river diamond I didn't worry that much about, but the 8 I should have. My read was right and, like you said, the guy was probably thinking WTF when he put his tourney on TP, but that was part of the reason for my over-raise. From what I have seen, weird bets are usually bluffs and the river bet was a weird one. If the shoe was on the other foot, I'd worry that the other guy outdrew me with an 8, but this is a low limit game, and at that level, most guys can't get away from TP HU.
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ciaran
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't mean to suggest that all jacks get away, just that you're making it more likely by shoving, especially on a card that makes middle pair trips and completes a draw.

The overbet bluff-bluff is a useful move. However in this case it's not clear what you could have that would actually be a bluff that he could snap off. That works better when you've, say, raised K8s pre-flop and he's called with AJ and it's played out more like this.
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