qq what to do on the turn???

[dankimball]

alright early position guy was a supper donk ...button was 25/16 ish small sample size of hands whats my play on the turn???





PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) handconverter.com

Hero ($53)
CO ($36.25)
Button ($52.45)
SB ($3.90)
BB ($50)
UTG ($101.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP with , .
UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.5, 1 fold, Button calls $2.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($8.25) , , (3 players)
UTG bets $1, Hero raises to $6, Button calls $6, UTG calls $5.

Turn: ($26.25) (3 players)

Final Pot: $26.25

[dankimball]

utg checked to me by the way on the turn

i post the rest after some comments

[jaydreb]

The 5 on the turn was a brick.

Bet $20 and call a shove? Either that or check. You don't really have much room to bet/fold here. Based on your reads I would keep firing.

[blah730235]

It would really depend on what button's post-flop aggresion factor was for me. He called on the flop so i'd be nervous if he was normally pretty aggresive and would check behind on the turn for pot control. If he's not over aggresive i'd probably bet again here & hope to isolate the fishy.

[Scully]

UTG is difficult to be worried about here, although he may well have some monster like Q8.

Button is more of a worry. He's called a 4bb raise PF and then a large bet on the flop. I expect a raise PF with KK/AA so we can rule those out I expect. AK/AQ will probably fold the flop unless he thinks you're at it and is floating you.

I put button on a pair 77+ but not AA/KK/QQ (that's really unlikely given you have QQ).

I think some form of blocking type bet might be best here, but that gets you pot committed. But if you check and button fires what does this mean?

This might be one of those pots where you decide you're not going broke with one pair and if you get outplayed by the button so be it - you've not lost much.

It's the kind of hand where I go broke at the table but save myself a bundle theoretically on here I think. My gut tells me that UTG has an 8 in his hand and button has TT

[emmapeel]

A bit worrying as there are not many hands the button might call on the flop with. 97 or J9 are a bit loose pre-flop. I'm sure some pair hands might call here though: JT or T9 maybe but I think those hands might fold to a turn bet.

I assume UTG has checked but I might continue to bet as the pot is quite big and worth winning now even if both villains fold. I think I'm betting about half the pot here. I can then decide what to do next depending on how they respond.

EP

[nsidestrate]

Your hand is pretty much face up, so I'm having a hard time with the Button here. He called a PFR and flat called the flop. Do we really think he could be doing that with JT or 99? The only hand I can really put him on that we beat is JJ.

I would check here.

[mash_tun]

[Taardvark]

I don't think UTG is much to be scared of but button has me a little concerned. UTG could have anything and regardless of what you do to define your hand against him, you aren't going to be able to. His line is that of a call station but I do like to suspend judgement on a player that has somehow managed to double their buy in and has 200 BB in a 100 BB buy in game.

Button calls a raise in position so he has something although he likely has a pretty wide range here (pairs, connectors, gappers, etc).

I agree with Mash that your reraise is simply too small here. Button calls getting odds of better than 2 to 1 and he probably knows that UTG is going to call behind so he's effectively getting 3 to 1 odds. That's assuming he doesn't already have us beat. His line isn't consistent with AA or KK but 1010 fits his range reasonably well. He could have a monster draw like J9 or 79. Based on UTG likely being a call station he can play this type of hand profitably from an implied odds standpoint even with you in it leading the betting.

Turn is a check for me also. No need to build this up anymore. If button makes a big play at this I think you have to look at letting this hand go. It could be a semi bluff or you could be drawing to a two outer.

Hopefully villian checks as well and opts to slow down and take a free card (or slow play a monster). I'd probably check the river too if given the chance and hope that button makes a reasonable sized bet on the river that you can call for value in the event he is bluffing with a busted draw and not the full house.

[dankimball]

ok def need to raise more on the flop

here is the rest of the action

utg checks to me i check and the button bet out 17.50......utg called

now hero?????

[Neilis]

What Nside said.

The good news is this though. Button has to be less tempted to bluff at us with a weak hand like an underpair that he floated because of UTG being in the hand. That means that if you have him beat he will check behind most of the time.

When button bets the turn and gets a call from UTG I'd say Queens are toast and fold them quite happily.

[Scully]

Given the action on the turn I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Q8 vs TT as mentioned in my first response. Time to dump the QQ I think

[nsidestrate]

If you call the turn, you are most likely going to face a big bet on the river and I don't see how you can call there and calling here and check-folding the river seems like spew. I'm going to have to fold now. You have to call $17 in a $60 pot and I have trouble believing you are against JJ and Tx often enough to make that a good call. If Button manages to take the hand from you with JJ, I guess I just have to tip my hat.

[chrisjp]

I can't see QQ being good here even 10% of the time. How can button not have TT or an 8? UTG protects you here from any deception by button. I'd fold even if UTG had folded.

Button would be making a huge mistake betting a draw here on a paired board, and how can he think a middle pocket pair is any good. Only if he thinks he can get you to fold and UTG doesn't beat him....those are very long odds.

I know that occasionally you will fold the best hand here, but once I started realizing that overpairs are real money sinks in serious multiway pots then my game moved up a level.

To plagarize Apestyles, "I fold here, and fairly quickly."

Chris

[Scully]

Even though technically you have two pair because of the paired board, you need to look at this as you having one pair - and one pair is rarely good when the going gets heavy post flop.

IMO unimproved high pairs win small pots and lose big ones as a rule of thumb