Omaha Week - Nside vs Clabbers vs Mchilger

[mchilger]

MP1 is Clabbers

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)

Button ($48.50)
SB ($19.50)
BB =(nsidestrate) ($49.35)
UTG ($41.25)
UTG+1 ($19.50)
Clabbers ($30.50)
Hero ($148.20)
MP3 ($51.65)
CO ($22.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with , , , .
2 folds, Clabbers calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, MP3 calls $2.25, 1 fold, Button calls $2.25, 1 fold, BB =nsidestrate calls $1.75, MP1 calls $1.75.

Flop: ($11.50) , , (5 players)
nsidestrate checks, Clabbers checks, Hero checks, MP3 checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($11.50) (5 players)
nsidestrate checks, Clabbers bets $10.95, Hero folds, MP3 folds, Button folds, nsidestrate calls $10.95.

River: ($33.40) (2 players)
nsidestrate bets $17.5, Clabbers calls $17.30 (All-In).

Final Pot: $68.01

[mchilger]

Comment on my play?

Matthew

[nsidestrate]

[emmapeel]

Yeh, Omaha, More cards to play.

For me, this is not a great multiway hand as there are not many nut hands to make. I'm guessing that the idea was to get heads up with the limper.

I'm checking the flop too. I think it might be the best play even if a straight wasn't possible. With many opponents the nut set is not so strong.

Did Clabbers check a big hand on the flop? Or did he limp pre-flop with QQ? It's hard to see how the queen made a difference. Maybe it's just a set or semi-bluff.

I wonder if Nside bluffed the river. It looks a good spot for a possible bluff. I wonder who has the nut flush; if anybody.

EP

[chillrob]

One thing to note is that hero's hand is taking up two of his full house outs, making his hand worse.

Rob

[nsidestrate]

[emmapeel]

Ok, so Clabbers checked the nut straight on the flop and Nside called the bet on the turn with the nut flush draw plus maybe some other outs. Clabbers then called the bet on the river; maybe with an accidental flush.

I'm not sure what you do with the nut straight on the flop. Maybe Clabbers planned a check-raise if he had that hand.

As for Hero's hand; I still think I would play the same. I'm prolly betting if the set was the nuts though. I read somewhere that you should check this if it is low but I'm not sure if I got that from Hi-lo or normal Omaha.

EP

[mchilger]

i'm not an Omaha player, but I think I played it correctly. I assume someone hit a straight on flop so I take my free card and fold when I don't improve.

Matthew

[clabbers]

Here's the remaining hands

PokerStars Game #15770787840: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/03/05 - 22:13:27 (ET)
Table 'Messalina IV' 9-max Seat #1 is the button

Seat 6: clabbers has [Jc Td Tc As]
*** TURN *** [9d 7h 8h] [Qc]
NSide: checks
clabbers: bets $10.95
MHilger: folds
NSide: calls $10.95
*** RIVER *** [9d 7h 8h Qc] [4h]
NSide: bets $17.50
clabbers: calls $17.30 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
NSide: shows [6s Ah Qh 6h] (a flush, Ace high)
clabbers: mucks hand
NSide collected $65 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $68 | Rake $3
Board [9d 7h 8h Qc 4h]
Seat 3: NSide (big blind) showed [6s Ah Qh 6h] and won ($65) with a flush, Seat 6: clabbers mucked [Jc Td Tc As]

Something of a comedy of errors. I actually like my flop check, usually cant get a flush draw out on flop, and won't have a full pot bet left for turn if I pot now. Nside shouldnt call the pot on the turn, not getting the pot odds. I shouldn't pay him off, but he is NSIde and used to a aggressive, bluffy holdem style. My read of his style did pay off in a later big pot where I called him down with a non-nut hand.

[suicide-jack]

wow this hand shows why i should never play omaha.

i wouldve played EVERY hand differently.

note to self.. STICK TO HOLDEM.

-jacob

[KEVBO]

good check fold. When playing in a multi-way pot with many players, the straight is usually going to be there on a board like this. The flop texture is about the worst you could ask for. There are just too many hand combo's w/ JTxx that are going to get played by loose players.

There are really only two ways you can stick around in this hand:

Your may get a free card by people going for a check-raise b/c and your hand still has some value if the board pairs due to deceptiveness.

Or you may be able to get into a big multi-way pot with others who maybe have the same nut straight, flush draws, etc....Lots of good +equity situations here especially in loose games with inexperienced players.

[maratea]

I'm not too familiar with PLO, but a couple of Qs

Is clabbers correct to check the flop? Is he waiting for a non-heart turn?
Is nside correct to call the turn bet with only the flush draw (he has 3 hearts in his hand)?

[maratea]

just read clabbers reply again which pretty much answers my q's.

[whyme250]

Matt I think you made a great laydown there, becuase I play alot of omaha be it high or high low and after the set hit you you were tore up by the flush and you got that feeling and folded which in omaha be it high low or high only sets get beat all the time by striaght and flushes I think you may of saved some money there and made the right play.