Omaha Week - Matthew vs. Clabbers

[mchilger]

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: ITH Forums)

UTG+1 ($21)
MP1 ($49.50)
MP2 ($57.75)
MP3 ($44.50)
CO ($159.60)
Button ($53.40)
Hero ($46.25)
BB ($4
UTG ($31.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with , , , .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50, 3 folds, Button calls $0.50, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2.50) , , (5 players)
Hero bets $2.4, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, Button raises to $9.6, Hero raises to $31.2, Button calls $21.60.

Turn: ($64.90) (2 players)
Hero bets $14.55 (All-In), Button calls $14.55.

River: ($0) (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $94

Results in white below:
Hero has Kh 2h 6h 8d (two pair, kings and sixes).

Outcome: Button wins $47. Hero wins $47.

[mchilger]

Clabbers had Kc 6c As Js.

The only way I am behind on flop is if I am against a set, which is fairly unlikely given I have one of each board card. But Omaha is strange. I I am against a flush draw with a K, my opponent would have a slew of outs, assuming his cards are higher than a 6. He would have 9 to a flush and 9 to two better pair.

Just so happens, I am in terrible shape in this hand against Clabber's hand and lucked out to split. I'm pretty sure I need to bet out here. I'm thinking though that I should only call Clabber's raise and then push the turn on a non spade, non ace turn card.

But this is new game for me...comments?

Matthew

[nsidestrate]

Interesting to me how very rare a tie would be:

[emmapeel]

I wouldn't have thought that top two was good enough to be so aggressive with here against 5 opponents. There are not many back-up outs too. It's good that the two is paired also as that gives our hand better chances.

I might check the flop and see what happens before I make a move.

Very interesting though. We are prolly only behind to 66 and 22 and there is only one combination of each. We are also behind to another top two with better draws. I'm not sure if we can be behind to a big draw hand.

I'm prolly all-in on the turn too.

EP

[toom]

There are two huge factors involved here.

The first is position. In the worst possible position, against five opponents, top two is tough to value bet with a flush draw out there, although there are no straight draws (unless someone limped 7543).

The second is reverse implied odds. Preflop, you pretty much have to call given the ridiculous pot odds, but the only flop I want to see includes and another heart, with maybe a gutshot or better thrown in, giving you at least twelve outs. Otherwise, in PLO, you get into the reverse implied odds situation. Even if the turn comes with a miracle king, your opponent could be freerolling you with AKJ6 limped from the button (as Clabbers had, of course). Reverse implied odds is crippling when you have position. Out of position it's so much worse.

[clabbers]

How different is the hand if Matthew and I still have 100+ left on the turn. I think a pot bet/shove by Matthew on the turn is near suicidal then.

I got my ass stomped in a 1/2 live PLO game with 5-6 players last night the few times I bet out top two on the flop.

Also pertinent - what would be the minimum hand necessary to repot the flop. I don't think that are many weaker hands I could have. Nut flush draw with no pairs should draw cheaply, not repot.