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Da_Big_Fish
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 Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject: Oh no! He's playing 7 Stud now |
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I've decided to try a different game, expand what I know about poker in general.
I've been using http://www.studstrategy.com/ to learn more about 7 Stud.
Not sure which book to get though:
7-Card Stud: 42 Lessons How to Win at Medium & Lower Limits
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Winning 7-Card Stud: Transforming Home Poker Chumps into Casino Killers
I've been doing better than I thought so far. Playing as low as I can go which is .04/.08 on Stars.
This was a fun hand, but I have no idea if I played it right...much like in hold;em  .
7 Card Stud High ($0.04/$0.0, Ante $0.01, Bring-In $0.02 (converter)
Seat 1: $1.78
Seat 2: $2.23
Seat 3: $2.61
Seat 4: $2.77
Seat 5: $1.67
Hero: $2.56
Seat 7: $1.33
Seat 8: $0.80
3rd Street - (2.00 SB)
Seat 1: xx xx 4 :___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 2 :___brings-in
Seat 3: xx xx 7 :___calls
Seat 4: xx xx J:___folds
Vil 5: A : 2: Q:___calls
Hero: A: Q: 8:___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 6:___folds
Seat 8: xx xx 6:___calls
4th Street - (4.50 SB)
Seat 2: xx xx 2: J:___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 7: 9:___calls
Vil 5: A: 2: Q: K:___checks___calls
Hero: A: Q: 8: Q:___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 6: 8:___calls
5th Street - (4.75 BB)
Seat 2: xx xx 2: J: 6:___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 7: 9: 4:___folds
Vil 5: A: 2: Q: K: J:___calls
Hero: A: Q: 8: Q: 8:___bets
Seat 8: xx xx 6: 8: T:___folds
6th Street - (7.75 BB)
Seat 2: xx xx 2: J: 6: 9:___calls___folds
Vil 5: A: 2: Q: K: J: T:___raises___calls
Hero: A: Q: 8: Q: 8: Q:___bets___raises
River - (14.75 BB)
Vil 5: A: 2: Q: K: J: T: T:___raises___raises
Hero: A: Q: 8: Q: 8: Q: 3:___bets___raises___calls
Total pot: (22.75 BB)
Results (in white):[color:white]
Total pot $1.82 | Rake $0.08
Vil 5: [As 2s Qc Ks Jh Ts Td] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Hero: [Ad Qs 8h Qh 8c Qd 3d] (a full house, Queens full of Eights) |
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chillrob
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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I think Ashley Adams book (the second one) is better than Roy West's (the first one).
A warning though, both books are going to tell you to fold aq8, especially against a Q upcard.
Rob |
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ciaran
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| chillrob wrote: | | A warning though, both books are going to tell you to fold aq8, especially against a Q upcard. |
I'm not a stud expert, but 3rd does look like an easy fold, and I'm not sure 4th is a bet.
Not capping 7th has to be a leak, doesn't it? There's a dead T and a dead J already, and it sure looks like he's overplaying a straight/flush. Even if he has a boat somehow (he is raising two open pair, but he knows there's a dead Q), it's way more likely to be Ts full than anything else.
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nsidestrate
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| ciaran wrote: | | chillrob wrote: | | A warning though, both books are going to tell you to fold aq8, especially against a Q upcard. |
I'm not stud expert, but 3rd does look like an easy fold, and I'm not sure 4th is a bet. |
3rd is a fold against all but the worst opponents. Probably a fold even so. 4th is probably an OK bet when the KQ checks. Hard to say, but the K only called the bring-in, so probably is unpaired and chasing a straight or flush.
| ciaran wrote: | | Not capping 7th has to be a leak, doesn't it? There's a dead T and a dead J already, and it sure looks like he's overplaying a straight/flush. Even if he has a boat somehow (he is raising two open pair, but he knows there's a dead Q), it's way more likely to be Ts full than anything else. |
At most sites, the third raise is a cap, so he probably did cap here. Vil 5 is an utter and complete moron. Those guys make stud good. His hand could not have been more obvious and he knew you were double paired. Did he really think you were so stupid as to raise/reraise two pair? In stud? Dear lord. 
I think you maybe should have smooth called 6th when he raised to keep Seat 2 and disguise your hand. The re-raise on 6th is an open declaration of a boat. Given that he would cap 7th with a straight, maybe not. Against a stud player with half a clue, I think your 3 bet on 6th turns your hand face up. |
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Da_Big_Fish
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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Ok I'll get the Adam's book.
That hand...I had no clue what I was doing. I got lucky hitting that queen on 7th. I know it. That was only my 2nd session of stud, ever .
I heard that you can earn 40% more playing Stud than Hold'em and that you need a bigger bankroll to play Stud. |
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nsidestrate
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Da_Big_Fish wrote: | Ok I'll get the Adam's book.
That hand...I had no clue what I was doing. I got lucky hitting that queen on 7th. I know it. That was only my 2nd session of stud, ever .
I heard that you can earn 40% more playing Stud than Hold'em and that you need a bigger bankroll to play Stud. |
Stud is high variance in my experience. The standard of play on-line is quite poor. In general the good players take the bad players' money faster in Stud, I think. |
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Icall
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Da_Big_Fish wrote: | Ok I'll get the Adam's book.
That hand...I had no clue what I was doing. I got lucky hitting that queen on 7th. I know it. That was only my 2nd session of stud, ever .
I heard that you can earn 40% more playing Stud than Hold'em and that you need a bigger bankroll to play Stud. |
You hit the Q on 6th.
Aside from 3rd, which probably isn't even that bad since I'm sure the players are horrible, the hand seems to play itself. IMO you have to bet 4th to get someone, anyone, to fold. Also, is the AKQ really checking a big pair? Doubtful. |
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Taardvark
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| ciaran wrote: | | chillrob wrote: | | A warning though, both books are going to tell you to fold aq8, especially against a Q upcard. |
I'm not a stud expert, but 3rd does look like an easy fold, and I'm not sure 4th is a bet.
Not capping 7th has to be a leak, doesn't it? There's a dead T and a dead J already, and it sure looks like he's overplaying a straight/flush. Even if he has a boat somehow (he is raising two open pair, but he knows there's a dead Q), it's way more likely to be Ts full than anything else. |
I agree. I'd fold on third here. Since you played 3rd, I'd say 4th is a check call. 5th and 6th are good. I think you need to cap 7th. It's a little scary that you haven't seen any other kings but villian's play thus far hasn't indicated rolled up trips. I think it's highly likely you are holding the best hand and you should get as many bets in as you can.
I also agree with Chillrob that the Adams book is the better of the two intro stud books mentioned. Also make sure to read Reese's section of Super System. |
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Taardvark
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| nsidestrate wrote: | | Da_Big_Fish wrote: | Ok I'll get the Adam's book.
That hand...I had no clue what I was doing. I got lucky hitting that queen on 7th. I know it. That was only my 2nd session of stud, ever .
I heard that you can earn 40% more playing Stud than Hold'em and that you need a bigger bankroll to play Stud. |
Stud is high variance in my experience. The standard of play on-line is quite poor. In general the good players take the bad players' money faster in Stud, I think. |
Yes. I earn about 25-30% more playing stud than I do hold em, and that's on a single table of stud versus multi-tabling in hold em. There is definitely an overlay if you play well, at least up to 1/2 which is the highest level that I play currently. |
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Da_Big_Fish
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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The Adams book is on the way.
The section in Super System is that SS 1 or SS 2? |
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Taardvark
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Da_Big_Fish wrote: | The Adams book is on the way.
The section in Super System is that SS 1 or SS 2? |
SS1. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| Just a THANK YOU to Fish for this thread and the link t that Stud strategy site... Was thinking of starting and this as given me the ino I needed to get going! |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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| I was thinking of learning basic Omaha or Stud...if they are available at micro limits and are profitable:D |
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Taardvark
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| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| tichodromia wrote: | | I was thinking of learning basic Omaha or Stud...if they are available at micro limits and are profitable:D |
I can't speak for Omaha but definitely yes for stud. |
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Da_Big_Fish
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| Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| SergeAyotte wrote: | | Just a THANK YOU to Fish for this thread and the link t that Stud strategy site... Was thinking of starting and this as given me the ino I needed to get going! |
You are most welcome. Finding that site kind of gave me the push I needed to give Stud a try also. That and watching Cincinnati Kid about a dozen times. |
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