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    The official 2013/14 football/heckling thread

    Premier League fixture publication day means time for a new thread.

    2012/13 seemed to me to be a fairly uninspiring season, matched by probably the dullest football thread we've had yet. Obviously this is Llan's fault.

    Time for both the game of football itself, and the few remaining denizens of ITH-land, to stand up and be counted.

    Let's go.
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    Re: The official 2013/14 football/heckling thread

    Quote Originally Posted by the_hawk
    Obviously this is Llan's fault.
    Whatever insults get thrown between me and hawk during this thread ( which will be a lot ) ... i would like to let everyone know that hawk threw the first punch.

    Im therefore acting in self defense for the rest of the season.
    There is a big misunderstanding between the concept of talent and skill, talent you have naturally but skill is only developed by hours and hours of beating on your craft... nobody got to where they were without hard work.

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    Re: The official 2013/14 football/heckling thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Llanlad
    Whatever insults get thrown between me and hawk during this thread ( which will be a lot ) ... i would like to let everyone know that hawk threw the first punch.
    I wonder who actually did throw the first punch, back in the mists of time? Might be an interesting little research project. I can take a guess :-"
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    Re: The official 2013/14 football/heckling thread

    absolutely guaranteed it was you ..

    Im not the type to slate a fellow poster ... you on the other hand are a cantankerous SOB ...
    There is a big misunderstanding between the concept of talent and skill, talent you have naturally but skill is only developed by hours and hours of beating on your craft... nobody got to where they were without hard work.

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    Re: The official 2013/14 football/heckling thread

    Back on topic... Torres scores four times in an international. Looks like the Special One has had an effect even though he hasn't spoken to him yet.
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    Re: The official 2013/14 football/heckling thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Llanlad
    absolutely guaranteed it was you ..
    Oddly enough, I suspect it was Hawk too.

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    Re: The official 2013/14 football/heckling thread

    I've found some very tame comments lobbed llanward from the beginning of June 2006. Nothing really going the other way then - not sure the poor chap really knew what was going on. But he gradually warmed to the task.
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    Re: The official 2013/14 football/heckling thread

    Quote Originally Posted by the_hawk
    comments lobbed llanward from the beginning of June 2006. Nothing really going the other way
    Well that clears that one up then ..
    There is a big misunderstanding between the concept of talent and skill, talent you have naturally but skill is only developed by hours and hours of beating on your craft... nobody got to where they were without hard work.

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    Re: The official 2013/14 football/heckling thread

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23710359

    Manchester United manager David Moyes has criticised his side's opening to the Premier League season, describing it as the "hardest start for 20 years".
    Among their first five games, the champions play Jose Mourinho's Chelsea at home and travel to Manchester City and Liverpool.
    Moyes is unhappy with the way the fixtures have come out for his side.
    "I find it hard to believe that's the way the balls came out of the bag, that's for sure," said the Scot.
    "I hope it's not because Manchester United won the league quite comfortably last year [that] the fixtures have been made much more difficult."
    LOL. Nice to see Moyes attempting Fergie-like levels of ridiculousness, but somehow it's not the same. Maybe in 20 years...
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    Re: The official 2013/14 football/heckling thread

    Moyes is already under pressure imo ..

    I cannot believe we have not signed any yet ... United are either completely messing up transfer negotiations or they are dragging their feet for whatever reasons.

    We have a tough start and Moyes could be getting all kinds of flack if we have a bad start we the same squad as last season.

    The club needs to back the manager with a couple of big names coming in.... but where are they ?????
    There is a big misunderstanding between the concept of talent and skill, talent you have naturally but skill is only developed by hours and hours of beating on your craft... nobody got to where they were without hard work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Llanlad
    The club needs to back the manager with a couple of big names coming in.... but where are they ?????
    I thought this would be a year where all the signings were last minute in a bunch, but its starting to look like almost none of the big names that have been rumored are going to move. Really the only "impact" guy signed has been Fernandinho? I don't think Fabregas will move. I figure Suarez won't go, because Arsenal suck. I think Bale is going because otherwise Tottenham spent a bunch of money without a sale and I don't believe that. I'd love to see Rooney go since that would seem to make a Suarez sale more palatable to Chelsea. Are your papers completely full of BS about transfers or are they used by the clubs to manipulate each other? Sometimes I think it is carefully placed propaganda and other times I think they just make crap up.

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    Re: The official 2013/14 football/heckling thread

    I have a sneaky feeling United will sign Bale.

    Madrid normally get their signings done quick and for whatever reason ... they cannot seem to land Bale.

    Bale to United and Rooney to Chelsea but only after United have played Chelsea.
    There is a big misunderstanding between the concept of talent and skill, talent you have naturally but skill is only developed by hours and hours of beating on your craft... nobody got to where they were without hard work.

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    Re: The official 2013/14 football/heckling thread

    Quote Originally Posted by nsidestrate
    Are your papers completely full of BS about transfers or are they used by the clubs to manipulate each other? Sometimes I think it is carefully placed propaganda and other times I think they just make crap up.
    A little from column A and a little from column B.......

    I have no doubt there are issues with Rooney, Suarez and Bale all wanting to move but their respective clubs either wont sell or are holding out for as much as they can get. In the old days players would just put in a transfer request and everyone would know where they stood but these days players have loyalty clauses in their contracts which only get paid if they didn't request the transfer themselves. Hence we get all the subterfuge with agents feeding information to the papers to destabilise the situation but falling short of coming outright and saying they want to move.
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    We have no remote equivalent in US sport. Players have specific ways of becoming free agents and they really not have leverage to demand trades when they are on the verge of being free. This mostly just happens in basketball. A guy like Bale seems to sign a new 4 year deal at the start of every season, but that seems to be meaningless. Why don't more clubs just say "Eff you, you are under contract -- play it out!" to these guys? Is it because at root they'd rather have the massive transfer fee than the extra two years?

    When they transfer, do the contracts also transfer or does the new club have to negotiate from scratch? Doesn't that all have to get worked out before the deal is done?

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    Re: The official 2013/14 football/heckling thread

    As with most things it all boils down to money - clubs like Spurs, Man United and Liverpool can to a certain extent ward off other clubs because they would rather keep the player than have the cash, hence we are seeing these protracted "games". Smaller clubs would just have to sell because they couldn't risk turning down big money only for the player to get injured or lose form dramatically.

    Contracts don't transfer which adds another element, Rooney for example might be happy to join Arsenal but although they would pay the transfer fee, they wouldn't want to pay the wages he's on now so they would look to negotiate down. Obviously that's not in Rooney's interest so the transfer would fail.

    The problem is because football is a global game there is no way of implementing things like wages caps or restricting transfers in the way you can in the US. If the Premier League capped wages then all the best players would just go to Spain or Italy.
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