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 Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 3:03 pm Post subject: How about 5553o? |
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I wonder how to play it? It's not very common, granted.
(Notice I was BB and got a free flop)
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nsidestrate
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| Posted: Thu May 04, 2006 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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| We tried to figure out the Omaha equivilent. Some people voted for 5533 or 5353, which seemed to look better. |
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| Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Since there was a 3 on the flop, does that mean I had a 55533 boat? |
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jeffnc
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| I'm not sure about this. Would the equivalent be 9753 rainbow? 5353 is not too bad of a hand in Omaha. hmmm |
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Bugsbunny
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:07 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | 5353 is not too bad of a hand in Omaha |
In all seriousness:
????? Muck city I would think, unless you can get in cheap from the blinds, or with position. I wouldn't want to play from EP.
For a good low you need an A2 on the board, and even then you're in trouble to a 34. if a 5 or a 3 flops you're easily susceptible to higher sets.
There's almost no flop, other than one that contained a pair of 5's or 3's, or A24 that I'd be real thrilled with.
Bottom line I think this is one of those hands that can give you a lot of 2nd best hands that get you in trouble in Omaha 8, especially in the "any 4 can win, everybody in the pool" games. But even in tighter games I don't think this hand is that great. |
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jeffnc
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:24 am Post subject: |
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| Bugsbunny wrote: | | Quote: | | 5353 is not too bad of a hand in Omaha |
In all seriousness:
But even in tighter games I don't think this hand is that great. |
It beats 53o in Holdem! 5533 has to be in the top 50% of Omaha hands, while 53o has to be in the bottom 10% in Holdem. |
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Bugsbunny
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| jeffnc wrote: | | Bugsbunny wrote: | | Quote: | | 5353 is not too bad of a hand in Omaha |
In all seriousness:
But even in tighter games I don't think this hand is that great. |
It beats 53o in Holdem! 5533 has to be in the top 50% of Omaha hands, while 53o has to be in the bottom 10% in Holdem. |
lol - I wouldn't be sure about that top 50% though  At least not if it's rainbow.
| Code: | Monte carlo simulation results from Poker Calculator 1.1.4.1
Omaha Hold'em hi/lo 8/b, 100000 combinations tested.
Hand | 5h5d3s3c | xxxx |
------+--------------+--------------+
High | 11475 | 18391 |
Draw | 1488 | 1488 |
Lose | 37208 | 32510 |
Scoop | 32510 | 37208 |
Low | 18036 | 11047 |
------+--------------+--------------+
Win% | 47.67% | 52.33% |
------+--------------+--------------+
5h5d3s3c:
Pair win: 2180 draw: 60 lose: 21420
Two Pair win: 6463 draw: 107 lose: 24995
Three of a Kind win: 15047 draw: 0 lose: 5786
Straight win: 6005 draw: 235 lose: 1298
Full House win: 12587 draw: 14 lose: 2099
Quads win: 1703 draw: 0 lose: 1
xxxx:
High Card win: 0 draw: 0 lose: 2776
Pair win: 6719 draw: 60 lose: 19153
Two Pair win: 20137 draw: 107 lose: 16531
Three of a Kind win: 5840 draw: 0 lose: 3311
Straight win: 10022 draw: 235 lose: 922
Flush win: 5702 draw: 0 lose: 850
Full House win: 6480 draw: 14 lose: 442
Quads win: 613 draw: 0 lose: 0
Straight Flush win: 86 draw: 0 lose: 0
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Which definetly makes it better than it's offsuit holdem' cousin.
But then a lot of O8 hands are "around the middle of the pack". Take a hand like 27TQ rainbow. It has 45% equity in a HU situation, but gets worse as you add more hands (9 handed it's just over 6%), as opposed to 5353 which wins just about it's fair share (maybe a fraction of a % more) 9 handed. |
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jeffnc
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| Posted: Tue May 30, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Hmm, well I would have guessed top 50% (in fact I did!). Shows you how much I know about Omaha. |
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toom
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| Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:23 am Post subject: |
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According to Bill Boston's O8 starting hand charts, 3355 ranks from 1697/5278 if double suited (very slight +EV) to 2042/5278 if non-suited (slightly -EV).
3555 is -EV whether suited or not, with rankings in the 4000+ range |
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