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Damien
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Posts: 456
Location: Donk Betting the Flop
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 Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:21 pm Post subject: HJ with 99 |
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Does anybody check-raise the flop here?
Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
9 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with  
4 folds, Hero raises, CO 3-bets, 2 folds, BB calls, Hero calls.
Flop:    (9.5SB, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, BB calls, Hero calls.
Turn:  (6.25BB, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, BB folds, Hero calls.
River:  (8.25BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.
Results:
Final pot: 10.25BB |
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Cript
Cheesehead
Joined: 13 Feb 2004
Posts: 5112
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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I'll almost always lead the turn here so the BB has to call 2 when CO raises.
Anywho, my line:
PF: Same
Flop: Bet/call
Turn: Check/call
River: Check/call
If flop bet is just called, lead turn and river. |
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thew92
Joined: 27 Jul 2005
Posts: 885
Location: Texas
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| I would CR flop, if Capped on the Flop I would just call down. If my CR was called I would lead every street afterwards. |
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Misunderstud
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Location: Here, stupid
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: HJ with 99 |
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| Damien wrote: | | Does anybody check-raise the flop here? |
Heads up almost always, but here I like Cript's line. (I think he means he'd lead the flop.) |
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mconstab
Joined: 13 Dec 2005
Posts: 443
Location: Warwickshire, UK
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I quite like Cript's advice to donk the flop here. You may not get an honest reaction from CO who may raise with overs (which is obviously what your after) but BB should be fairly honest in his flop action if faced with a raise. |
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Misunderstud
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Of course this then begs the question, when we bet, CO raises and BB folds as planned, do we 3-bet? Logically, if I'd c/r CO HU, I think I must. |
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Damien
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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Location: Donk Betting the Flop
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Very interesting that donking is getting the majority of votes here. The more I think about it, the more I like it. CO had pocket tens here if anyone wanted to know. |
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mconstab
Joined: 13 Dec 2005
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Location: Warwickshire, UK
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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If you choose to donk and the CO raises then I don't think your equity is going to be good enough to 3 bet the flop. I'd probably just look to get to showdown as cheap as possible. The problem is that if CO then caps the flop after you 3 bet your pretty much always beat but at this point you've bloated the pot and would likely have to call down. As the saying goes "don't bloat the pot and fold".
I would never really advocate donking too much but this seems like a spot to do it. I play 6max however so I'm sure my full ring knowledge is rusty.
Did you have any reads/stats on villain? |
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Damien
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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Location: Donk Betting the Flop
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Did you have any reads/stats on villain? |
Yes, and actually I'm glad you mention that because this is a player that I play with often and respect his play quite a bit. He's a solid TAG and has a very nice win rate from what I've seen.
He is 15 / 12 / 2
ATS = 33 (not sure how important that is here since I'm the one that tried to steal) |
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