Joined: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 385 Location: Warwickshire, UK
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: High AF
No matter what I try and change with my game my AF on each street is usually high. Now I know this can be down to raising too much with marginal hands (it still doesn't feel right just calling with a vulnerable pair!), or possibly bloating the pot in the early streets but not seeing a showdown (something I'm convinced I don't do). Perhaps I don't slowplay enough.
Can a particluar AF be deemed sub optimal? In particluar my flop aggression is around 3 which is considered high compared to the average. Can a high AF be profitable and part of a winning strategy?
Over my last 7k hands at 3/6 and 5/10 (I know tiny sample) my AF for each street is:
Flop: 3.0
Turn: 2.3
River: 1.8
Total AF: 2.5
I'm running fairly decent over this sample at 2.2 BB/100 but I don't want these short term results to cloud the errors in my game.
You should definitely not slowplay more. What is your went to showdown %? I'm guessing it's something like 36% which is far too low. My guess is that you fold too much in HU pots.
Joined: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 385 Location: Warwickshire, UK
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:20 am Post subject:
Willem wrote:
You should definitely not slowplay more. What is your went to showdown %? I'm guessing it's something like 36% which is far too low. My guess is that you fold too much in HU pots.
Yes your right my showdown is around 36%. Is this really far too low? I was under the impression that a 36-37 WTSD% was optimal at 3/6 and an increase in limits would mean an increased WTSD% by one pip.
In the $5/$10 games which I frequently play, I'd say 40%-42% is probably optimal. It would probably be a little bit lower at $3/$6 but that's mainly because many opponent fold more often, allowing you to win more pots uncontested (= lower WTSD). But you shouldn't forcefully try to achieve certain stats.
But you should look at spots where it's HU and your hand is too weak to raise for value, but also too strong to fold. For instance, I pretty rarely fold AK unimproved in a heads-up pot when the preflop betting was capped (or 3-bet).
- You are trying to protect your pair in a small pot HU? (which you donīt need to do)
- You are not check/calling (inducing) enough in small pots?
- And perhaps you are not peeling (especially) flop often enough?
Joined: 13 Dec 2005 Posts: 385 Location: Warwickshire, UK
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject:
Skrotnisse wrote:
Perhaps:
- You are trying to protect your pair in a small pot HU? (which you donīt need to do)
- You are not check/calling (inducing) enough in small pots?
- And perhaps you are not peeling (especially) flop often enough?
I can certainly see the first 2 of these options to be the case, the third maybe not so much as I do like to peel light. I need to get out of the habit of raising vulnerable pairs in small pots for sure (something that I inherited from FR), and I guess this is linked to option 2 as I like to try and stay the aggressor.
However I'm not going to drastically change things as I've been running pretty good over the last few months at 3/6 and 5/10. I suppose different stats suit different styles also (I know one of the instructors at Deuces has a flop aggression of over 3 in 6max). Cheers for the advice fellas.
- You are trying to protect your pair in a small pot HU? (which you donīt need to do)
- You are not check/calling (inducing) enough in small pots?
- And perhaps you are not peeling (especially) flop often enough?
Agreed. But you also must make sure you are getting enough value on your hands when you are OOP (balanced with enough bluffs). Passively check-calling down will only make you a valuebetting target.
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