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Great flop....too passive?

 
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osmosis21
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:19 pm    Post subject: Great flop....too passive? Reply with quote

I hit the a great flop, and even though I improved on the turn, its the one card I didnt want to see. I figured that with position I could always raise with a safe card and although Im confident he has an ace I dont want to blow him out of the water if he doesnt....

Not intended to be a rant, as I know Im losing this pot after the turn, but curious if I should raise for value on the turn....with


PokerStars Game #12305058501: Omaha Hi/Lo Limit ($10/$20) - 2007/09/27 - 18:01:23 (ET)
Table 'Klio V' 10-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: BlueCevilish ($196 in chips)
Seat 3: the taj kid ($519 in chips)
Seat 4: LoudCat ($401 in chips)
Seat 5: NYC TK ($119 in chips)
Seat 6: osmosis21 ($459.50 in chips)
Seat 7: RichHump ($367 in chips)
Seat 8: pogari ($497 in chips)
Seat 9: haspel ($456 in chips)
Seat 10: AnteUp ($275.50 in chips)
AnteUp: posts small blind $5
BlueCevilish: posts big blind $10
Gloria 1938: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to osmosis21 [Qc 3d 2d Qs]
the taj kid: folds
LoudCat: folds
NYC TK has timed out
NYC TK: folds
NYC TK is sitting out
osmosis21: raises $10 to $20
RichHump: folds
pogari: folds
haspel: folds
AnteUp: folds
BlueCevilish: calls $10
*** FLOP *** [Ah Qh 4s]
BlueCevilish: checks
osmosis21: bets $10
BlueCevilish: calls $10
*** TURN *** [Ah Qh 4s] [Ac]
BlueCevilish: bets $20
NYC TK has returned
osmosis21: calls $20
*** RIVER *** [Ah Qh 4s Ac] [Jc]
BlueCevilish: bets $20
osmosis21: calls $20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BlueCevilish: shows [Js 6s Kh Ad] (HI: a full house, Aces full of Jacks)
osmosis21: shows [Qc 3d 2d Qs] (HI: a full house, Queens full of Aces)
BlueCevilish collected $142 from pot
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $145 | Rake $3
Board [Ah Qh 4s Ac Jc]
Seat 1: BlueCevilish (big blind) showed [Js 6s Kh Ad] and won ($142) with HI: a full house, Aces full of Jacks
Seat 3: the taj kid folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: LoudCat folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: NYC TK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: osmosis21 showed [Qc 3d 2d Qs] and lost with HI: a full house, Queens full of Aces
Seat 7: RichHump folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: pogari folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: haspel (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 10: AnteUp (small blind) folded before Flop
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maalox111



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Posts: 501

PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm only a beginner, but I think you should raise a decent amount on the turn. If he doesn't have an A, you aren't going to get much out of him anyway. If he does have an A, there is only a very small chance he has quads or AQ since you have QQ. A4 is more of a possibility.

He will be reluctant to fold trips though and likely call a medium-sized value bet on the turn with a single A, leaving him 10 outs to a winning hand. Since you are in position and raised the turn, you may even save yourself calling a river value bet if he makes a low boat on the river but if afraid you have a higher boat.
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clabbers



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Posts: 561
Location: Former Absolute Baddest Beater

PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's limit, Maalox. Played fine, if you know he's a maniac you can reraise turn for value. You led all the way to the river. You actually want to stay at this table as long as Blue is here.
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