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Flopped nuts, deep stacked, facing resistence....

 
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MXRider
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:42 pm    Post subject: Flopped nuts, deep stacked, facing resistence.... Reply with quote

Villain has been quite loose passive so far playing a 42/11/4 style over 180 hands or so. 150bb effective stacks in play here and I want it all, how's the best way to get it.


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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Ten of Spades, Jack of Spades.
Hero raises to $0.85, 1 fold, CO calls $0.85, Button calls $0.85, 2 folds.

Flop: ($2.90) 9 of Hearts, 8 of Spades, 7 of Clubs (3 players)
Hero bets $2.25, CO folds, Button raises to $5.5, Hero????
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Damo_1
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd 3-bet the flop to $15 and shove the turn.
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Soultwister



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Damo. The reason to reraise here is simply because you are OOP and the alternative, calling, works a bit bad here.

vs some people who will never check behind on the turn with a draw, which is like any 1/2 regular it seems, calling here is fine, but vs most people, the risk is too high to get the turn checked through.

If you call here, leading out on the turn may not work as planned and looks strong, and may fold out draws. If you check turn, villain may check behind.

So raise here and hope he gets it in with a hand like AT/set/two pair/9T etc. Also, the hands that would fold to a 3bet here are probably the same hands you can't really extract value from on the turn should you just call, and tons of scarecards could arrive for villain to shut down.
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nsidestrate
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't play a lot of cash, but I'd often try for the check-raise all-in on the turn. It seems to me that your line is going to look a lot like a draw if you just call the raise and he might well try to fire the turn to get you off your hand if you let him. You do have some risk that he checks behind and then folds the river, but if he has a hand that is going to do that, he probably won't call the flop raise either.
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MXRider
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What types of hands can villain be raising with here?
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blah730235



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 15, 2008 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
42/11/4


A 4.0 postflop aggresion factor is pretty aggresive not passive
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MXRider
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blah730235 wrote:
Quote:
42/11/4


A 4.0 postflop aggresion factor is pretty aggresive not passive


Preflop that was meant for. Once he latched onto something, he went hard.
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dan_man555



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He most likely has 2 over-cards and tried to steal. In that case, any bets would make him fold. Only real way to get chips would be to check, and re-raise if he bets out.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great flop in so many ways.

It's hard to see villain having a hand that might fold to a another raise. Another good thing is that we are representing an overpair only so villain is unlikely to get suspicious. It's nice to flop the nuts too off course.

I want to re-raise again as I don't want a scare card falling on the turn and killing the action; like say a 6. How much to bet then?

Villain may have a pair and a draw, a set, or two pair here so it's hard to see a fold after a re-raise. I think I'm going to make it $15 here. If villain calls then all the money is likely to go in by the river.

EP
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MXRider
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

emmapeel wrote:
Great flop in so many ways.

It's hard to see villain having a hand that might fold to a another raise. Another good thing is that we are representing an overpair only so villain is unlikely to get suspicious. It's nice to flop the nuts too off course.

I want to re-raise again as I don't want a scare card falling on the turn and killing the action; like say a 6. How much to bet then?

EP


This was pretty much the way that I felt too. I can't see him only calling with one bet amount and folding to another. He's either going to call or fold regardless of my bet here.

I ended up shoving. Thoughts?
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Soultwister



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I ended up shoving. Thoughts?


That's fine but I prefer a smaller 3bet in this situation. Something that a hand like 66 can call. So I'd raise to something that shows I'd be committed, so to something like $18 (but would also do that at times with bluffs when not committed) and give villain yet another opportunity to do something stupid with 66, TJ or so.

66/ TJ are hands I could see villain folding to a shove but shoving or calling after a 3bet, while the rest of his range are hands he'll probably get it in with or fold no matter what you do.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MXRider wrote:
What types of hands can villain be raising with here?


As he's so aggro he could be raising anything: 2pr, set, 22-66, a pair, or air.

If he has 2pr or a set the board pairing can hurt you (7/47). If he doesn't have one of those hands, you need to worry about a 6 or T scaring him off (6/47). So 13/47 the turn will be a card that hurts you or puts him off, either way, you are unlikely to get any more chips 30% of the time after seeing the turn.

Think I push now.
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