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Radford 2K Club
Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 2755 Location: Sheffield, England
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Posted: Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject: First in push vs top pair |
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10+$1 Tournament, 200/400 Blinds 50 Ante (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG (t7259)
UTG+1 (t3700)
Rad (MP1) (t25633)
MP2 (t6639)
CO (t17902)
Button (t14367)
SB (t14705)
BB (t8541)
Rad's M: 25.63
Preflop: Rad is MP1 with ,
2 folds, Rad raises to t999, 1 fold, CO calls t999, 2 folds, BB calls t599
Flop: (t3597) , , (3 players)
BB bets t7492 (All-In), Rad??????,
What the hell do i do here? I have been playing rather aggressive. The CO is a decent player. No reads on the BB. |
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cowboyfan
Joined: 08 Mar 2005 Posts: 299 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2008 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Shove.
You can't call off 1/3 of your stack with a decent to good player behind you. He's going to put you AI if you flat call and you're way ahead of the BB's range here. |
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toronexti 53o
Joined: 03 Sep 2004 Posts: 4240
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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 2:13 am Post subject: |
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| cowboyfan wrote: | Shove.
You can't call off 1/3 of your stack with a decent to good player behind you. He's going to put you AI if you flat call and you're way ahead of the BB's range here. |
Don't you want him putting you AI here with TPTK? Unless he has 99/AJ you should be well ahead. By pushing you eliminate the chance that CO could make a mistake, he'll only call with either things that beat you. By calling you might get a lot more chips from a FD or just a stupid bluff . . . but you're giving him a chance to put more chips into the pot when you want them to go in.
I'd typically do a call/call line or if when I call CO calls behind just push turn into CO. |
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maf66 2K Club
Joined: 13 Oct 2004 Posts: 2445 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Insta-push
If BB had hit a set, or 2 pair, don't you think he'd CRAI instead? I'd put him on a weak ace or maybe a flush draw.
I assume you're worried about what CO might do? |
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taz115 Hzamm9rd, Yo!!!
Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 8476 Location: Edmonton, Canada
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| In real time I'd push but I agree with toro that a call here will somtimes get chips from the CO when your ahead and a push wioll only get a call when your behind so I think call would be slightly better. I assume you not considering folding here, I want to get our chips in vs the BB here, his push looks like a likely draw to me any really big hands should be trying for a c/r if he is decent. |
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emmapeel 2K Club
Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 2533 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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BB should have a draw here as a check-raise with say a flush draw is not really on due to the stack sizes., hence the push.
CO is not so much a worry as we should be well best and it is only 40 odd big blinds if not. To push or to call? Hmmnn.
If CO has a flush draw then it is 3.5-1ish to call a call which with the implied odds looks about ok. But if we do push then it doesn't really price out the draw as CO would get 2 cards to fill the flush as he will be all in. I don't think it matters so much if villain has a draw.
If CO has AQ then will he call a call more than a push? I suppose he might be more likely to call a call.
I think I'm going to just call this as we can't price out a draw but we can encourage AQ a bit more.
EP |
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Radford 2K Club
Joined: 06 Sep 2005 Posts: 2755 Location: Sheffield, England
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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A very weird hand. I took all my time bank deciding whether AK was good here. The reason being was because on so many occasions, players have open pushed a large amount, and i have like an overpair, or TPTK like this case and they show the nuts or something. I remember saying to myself, if i call, i'm going to regret this decision. I kept saying this to myself. I'm not worried about the CO because i think he's only calling with a monster if i push.
I ended up pushing (knew it was a bad move. I was so close to folding and should have really). Like i said, on so many occasions people have shown trips or 2-pair here when pushing.
I pushed and obviously the CO behind me insta-calls and shows AA . The BB had J9. So i was screwed  |
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