Donk or Check-Raise

[Damien]

Theoretical Hand:

9 Handed Full Ring: $1/$2

Hero is BB with

UTG Raises, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, Button calls, Hero calls

Flop is

Everybody checks (hey, it could happen)

Turn is

What does hero do? Please vote.

[Stew21]

OK, I'll try.

Looks like some passive/timid players PF.

UTG may be scared of the Ace on the flop.
No bets again tells me timid people at the table.

If raised ahead I might just call so I don't scare people off.
If no bet in front of me I bet (min. if no-limit) since there's no guarantee anyone else will bet.

OK peoples tear me apart!

Hey. its the only way I'll learn.

[Damien]

[Stew21]

Uhhhh....

Too late for an ooooopppss?

[Misunderstud]

Damien, do you know what FPS means? (If not do a search.) Don't f*** about, just bet.

[Damien]

First Person Shooter for petes sake!

[Damien]

Can one of the good players on here post a hand where they check/raise the turn please?

[Misunderstud]

Your theoretical hand wouldn't be a bad candidate if UTG had stayed aggressive, but a c/r is good only when you can almost guarantee that the player you want to bet, will bet. The flop checkaround makes that far less likely. I wouldn't presume to put myself in the 'good player' category, but I think I probably played these two OK:

Poker Stars $2/$4 Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is UTG with A : J :
Hero raises, 2 folds, MP2 3-bets, 4 folds, Hero calls

Flop: (7.5 SB) 5 : Q : T : (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls

Turn: (4.75 BB) K : (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, MP2 3-bets, Hero caps!, MP2 calls

River: (12.75 BB) 4 : (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 calls

Final Pot: 14.75 BB
Hero shows A : J : (a straight, Ten to Ace)
MP2 mucks K : K :
Hero wins 14.25 BB
(Rake: $2.00)



Poker Stars $2/$4 Limit Hold'em - 7 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with A : A :
UTG raises, 2 folds, CO calls, BTN calls, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, UTG caps!, CO calls, BTN calls, Hero calls

Flop: (16.5 SB) T : T : T : (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, CO calls, BTN folds, Hero calls

Turn: (11.25 BB) 8 : (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, CO calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, CO calls

River: (17.25 BB) 6 : (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, CO folds

Final Pot: 19.25 BB
Hero shows A : A : (a full house, Tens full of Aces)
UTG shows K : K : (a full house, Tens full of Kings)
Hero wins 18.5 BB
(Rake: $3.00)

[Schlepper333]

There is an excellent article on playing sets in the Sept. 24 issue of Card Player Magazine (p.76), the one with Layne Flack's pic on the cover. I checked the web site and this issue is not yet online. Check back next week if you do not have access to Card Player in your area. It may be posted by that time.
http://www.cardplayer.com/magazine/current

[Damien]

Thanks Mis, those help a great deal.

[Willem]

[Misunderstud]

Yes, the 2nd hand is atypical in that it's rare to be able to anticipate a turn c/r from your holding on the flop. There are usually just too many things that could go wrong: either the turn card makes your hand look far less good than it was or a scare card slows the action. This is a mistake often made by poor players, who will play anything from TPNK upwards in this manner. Here, if no one holds a T, only 3 hands can outdraw me, each of which has only 2 outs, and anyone raising this flop is going to bet the turn almost 100% of the time.

The first scenario is by far the more common: you call because you have the odds, the turn hits you and your opponent is aggressive. A turn c/r from a reasonable opp is usually a sign of strength in my games, though you might encounter more overplayers and bad bluffers in the micros.

[shallam]

I voted to lead out ("donk"). Had there been a bet on the flop I would have been inclined to go in the other direction. The last thing you want here is to have the hand check thru, lose a BB or two, and/or have someone hit a miracle free card to win the hand. How would you fee if a Q peels on turn and your opp has QQ or KJ and would have folded ?

Of course had someone bet on the flop, I would have folded but that's a story for another day & thread.