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Skrotnisse
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 Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: ch/raise semi bluff |
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ok flop raise? or would you prefer a call.. why?
2/4 Limit Holdem
6 players
Pre-flop: (1.5 SB, 6 players) Hero is SB  
1 fold, UTG 1 raises, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, BB calls
Flop:    (8.0 SB, 4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG 1 bets, 1 fold, Hero raises ? |
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Willem
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| Looks fine to me. You might have a chance to win this with a bet on the turn (if CO folds the flop). And if he calls, you are pretty much break even with an OESD + backdoor flush. You might even clean up some pair outs if CO folds something like A8. |
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Skrotnisse
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| Willem wrote: | | Looks fine to me. You might have a chance to win this with a bet on the turn (if CO folds the flop). And if he calls, you are pretty much break even with an OESD + backdoor flush. You might even clean up some pair outs if CO folds something like A8. |
I dont have an OESD.
Just a gutshot, backdoor flush draw and possible overcard outs. |
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mconstab
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| Skrotnisse wrote: | | Willem wrote: | | Looks fine to me. You might have a chance to win this with a bet on the turn (if CO folds the flop). And if he calls, you are pretty much break even with an OESD + backdoor flush. You might even clean up some pair outs if CO folds something like A8. |
I dont have an OESD.
Just a gutshot, backdoor flush draw and possible overcard outs. |
I still like it. You can have up to 11 possible outs with the backdoor, the pot has reached a decent size, and UTG will have a hard time continuing with K high and possibly A high hands. The raise on the flop would have to work around 18% of the time to get an immediate fold and around 30% to get a fold on the turn and this does not account for the times you improve to the best hand. |
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Willem
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| Skrotnisse wrote: | | Willem wrote: | | Looks fine to me. You might have a chance to win this with a bet on the turn (if CO folds the flop). And if he calls, you are pretty much break even with an OESD + backdoor flush. You might even clean up some pair outs if CO folds something like A8. |
I dont have an OESD.
Just a gutshot, backdoor flush draw and possible overcard outs. |
My mistake. In that case, I like to check-fold here. I see no reason to get involved here. You pretty much missed the flop and still have CO left to act behind you. Without CO, this would be a good check-raise. But then you'd have a lot more chance to pick up the pot with a bluff. |
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mconstab
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:54 am Post subject: |
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| I'm a dumb ass as I thought CO had folded and it was HU. That being said I still don't mind the play too much depending on the opponents style and range. Were getting 9-1 on the flop call with a gutshot and backdoor flush. I think I like a raise better than a call here just because I reckon you've got decent fold equity. |
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Skrotnisse
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| Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: |
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| Willem wrote: |
My mistake. In that case, I like to check-fold here. I see no reason to get involved here. You pretty much missed the flop and still have CO left to act behind you. Without CO, this would be a good check-raise. But then you'd have a lot more chance to pick up the pot with a bluff. |
I think a fold here is weak and thatīs why I thought that since Iīm already going to call I might as well raise and pick it up. Itīs true that CO can make me pay but itīs also true that HJ can respect my raise even more since I raise with one left to act. With 76s (OESD) I usually just call here. Maybe it should be the other way around? |
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