Calling a re raise pre flop

[mconstab]

I'm a little unsure as to the factors for calling a re raise pre flop.

For example:

Blinds $15/$30, 9 handed
Hero in CO with 78s

PRE FLOP
5 folds, hero raises to $90, BTN raises to $270, hero?

The total pot is now $405 so we're paying $180 into $405 to make the call.

From this point on what factors would determine whether hero called or folded? I realise we are more likely to call against a loose aggro type with a hand like 78s as his range is wide and we have good implied odds if we hit the flop. I guess I'm more concerned as to how we make the call from a pure price perspective.

[ImBetterDude]

I'm not a cash game player, so take my advice with a grain of salt.

What matters most to me here is the size of your stack and your opponents. Calling with a speculative hand like this will end up with you folding to a flop bet 4/5 times, so you need to make sure that the 1/5 times that you do flop a hand worth playing that you can gain sufficient rewards to make up for the 4/5 times you would lose. So make sure your opponent has large stack, and that your stack is close to equally large; I'm thinking 100 BB at least. Remember, implied odds don't mean shit if you and your opponent are playing very short.

Another thing to consider is the image of this player...is he a rock? Is he hyper aggro? This will help you determine how to play an OESD or Flush Draw on the flop. If he's aggro, check/raising might be a good option. If he's a rock, maybe check calling would make more sense.

Again, I'm a pretty piss poor cash game player, but this is advice I've heard along the way.

[Taardvark]

[the_hawk]

[cowboyfan]

[mconstab]

Okay so lets say villain has a stack of $3500 and hero has $3000, do the size of the stacks edge this towards a call?

The image side of this call I'm fine with and understand the opponent variables that factor into the call. The actual size of the raise is what's throwing me a bit. For example, if villain re raised to $370 instead of $270 how does this effect hero's action?

[cowboyfan]

Absent any reads, this is a very tough call. You are getting the 12-15:1 odds that you need to make the call, but you will be check/folding the vast majority of the flops. I would prefer to make these kinds of calls with 3-4 people in the pot.

I would probably call, but IMO it's very marginal. If there were other people in the pot, I would call in a heartbeat.

[toronexti]

[Raisindye]

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[Scully]

I've been reading/watching a lot of Ed Miller's stuff recently and suited connectors come up a lot.

Essentially his take is that as you'll hit the flop hard so infrequently, you need another way to win the pot - i.e.: to steal it. This is a major reason for only playing these hands in position.

Slight caveat that I've been looking primarily at cash games, but I think that the rationale holds for tourneys - possibly more so where effective stacks are rarely going to be 100bb+ deep

[Taardvark]

[mconstab]

[nsidestrate]

If the guy is LAG enough and you are willing to invest a lot of money to take the pot away when you hit nothing about 20% of the time, then you could call. If you are going to fold if you whiff every time, you should just fold now. It will put you in a real tough spot, because most of the time when you connect, you will either flop middle pair or catch a draw. Playing a draw OOP against an aggressive player isn't that much fun.

Add a blind who flat calls and I'm much more into it. If the guy who 3 bet me has been getting in my business a lot, I might call with a plan to check-raise any flop, but I think I'm substantially crazier than most of you.

[Scully]

[mconstab]