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Skrotnisse



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:22 pm    Post subject: blind vs blind aggression Reply with quote

This was an interesting hand! How often do you think TAGs would just call with top pair, weak kicker on this flop? (the stronger ones he would often 3bet pre). After check/raising the turn flush draw I decided to bet river too in case he too was on a draw.

3/6, 6max

Preflop: Hero is in the SB with J 7
4 folds, Hero raises to 6.00, BB calls 3.00.

Flop (13.50) 5 A 3
Hero bets 3.00, BB raises to 6.00, Hero calls 3.00.

Turn (25.50) K
Hero checks, BB bets 6.00, Hero raises to 12.00, BB calls 6.00.

River (49.50) K
Hero bets 6.00
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Willem
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, you should definitely fire the river now that check-raised the turn. Plenty of drawing hands he can fold here.

About the turn check-raise. I don't think it's bad but what hands are you check-raising for value here? (Except kings-up and KK) I would be quite suspicious if I was villain here.
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Skrotnisse



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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are right, what hands would I play this way...

I guess we should be c/c, c/r with improved 2pairs too. But I guess the line is still pretty drawheavy. What we could do is just do it 50% of the times with a turned draw or maybe just hope that villain doesn´t think that far at 3/6? His line is very draw heavy too so there should be good value in this line if he doesn´t have the power to think and the guts to 3bet us with a draw or calldown with a showdownable draw. How does that reasoning sound?

With villains flop raise I put an aggressive TAG on a flushdraw, 2x, 4x, 2pair, set, an occasional Ax, and maybe xx.
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nsidestrate
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not crazy about the turn check-raise, but I think the King is the perfect river card for you to bet again.
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Willem
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nsidestrate wrote:
I think the King is the perfect river card for you to bet again.


I disagree. From villains' point of view, the turn check-raise is either a flush draw, or a hand that improved on the turn. Hero probably 3-bets the flop with any good hand he has there. Pretty much any made hand that Hero check-raised the turn with has a K in it (Kings-up or KK). Now that the river brings another King, Hero's range becomes even more skewed towards busted flush draws (since he is less likely to have a K now). This would be a very good spot for villain to bluff raise his own busted draw.
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