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Willem
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Location: Netherlands
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 Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:58 pm Post subject: Bet this river? |
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I'm kinda running over the table here so my table image is borderline maniac. I've also been relentlessly attacking the big blind in the last few orbits.
Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
5 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with  
3 folds, Hero raises, BB calls.
Flop:    (3SB, 2 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.
Turn:  (3.5BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.
River:  (3.5BB, 2 players)
Hero ???
Bet or check? |
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nsidestrate
Suited's Love Monkey
Joined: 26 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm fairly sure you have the best hand. The big question is will he bet more hands than he calls with? I think it is pretty close, but all in all, I'd rather bet. |
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mconstab
Joined: 13 Dec 2005
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Location: Warwickshire, UK
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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This is going to be very read dependant so I'm actually not sure! His raise could be a draw and then obviously take the free card on the turn. I also see this line with a J and when the A falls he's petrified of being raised. If villain is passive then I'm checking here as he probably just calls with an 8 on the flop. Against an aggressive opponent I think I bet the river to extract value from an 8 but then if you check it he may bluff his missed draw, lol this is tough! If you have been portraying the image of a maniac then I think you might get called down light so I think I bet.
If he bet the turn would you have called?
If you called the turn bet and he fired again on that river do you still showdown? |
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ineedcash112
Joined: 25 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| mconstab wrote: |
If he bet the turn would you have called?
If you called the turn bet and he fired again on that river do you still showdown? |
1. I think a call down is in order given the draw heavy flop. If he bet again on the river, I would call anything that did not complete oesd/fd.
I would have b/f the turn, if he just calls, c on river. Given OP checked the ace on turn, I would value bet TT on the river. |
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Willem
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:01 am Post subject: |
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| mconstab wrote: | If he bet the turn would you have called?
If you called the turn bet and he fired again on that river do you still showdown? |
I would definitely call the turn. The river is a lot closer and I could go either way. The thing is that he can only have a good draw with T9, which isn't all that likely with me holding two tens. But I would call if my opponent is unknown, maybe fold once I have a read that tells me I am beat too often to call.
| nsidestrate wrote: | | I'm fairly sure you have the best hand. The big question is will he bet more hands than he calls with? I think it is pretty close, but all in all, I'd rather bet. |
I think he calls with any pair, but he might not bet any pair. If I check here, he knows I don't have Ax and will valuebet Jx, but may check behind other weaker pairs. So I lose one bet to a better pair regardless. But by betting, I make sure I also get a bet from worse hands (which I may not get by checking). It's also unlikely he will raise a better one pair hand here as he probably fears I have Ax.
It's true that I might induce a bluff by checking. But if he wanted to bluff, he would probably bet the obvious scare card on the turn.
I thought this was a standard valuebet. In the actual hand, I bet and villain folded. I can't imagine him folding a pair so he was probably full of sh#t. |
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Skrotnisse
Joined: 27 Oct 2007
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Location: Sweden
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| For me this is an easy bet/call. He can call you with any pair, hell even K or Q high, its BvB and you´re considered a LAG/maniac. Checking lets him play perfectly against u. |
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