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mconstab
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 Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:27 am Post subject: Best LHE player in the world (not a strategy post) |
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There's been some chat over at 2+2 about the best LHE player in the world. I know for the most part that this is a bs topic as it's so subjective but some of the perceived top players have posted in the thread and I personally found it interesting.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/18/high-stakes-limit/top-5-lhe-players-world-302985/ |
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nsidestrate
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| I've not played much with most of the guys mentioned, but it is good to see occasional ITHer kpr16 mentioned as one of the best in the world. He has been doing very well in heads-up matches lately at the big games on Stars and he's a nice guy. |
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Skrotnisse
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:16 am Post subject: |
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Yes, I have been following this thread also in an attempt to find out whom I should be railbirding... 
I try to watch when I see Hoss, Schneids or KPR16 playing 6max.
I´ve tried watching some of the others too but I get too confused by their style. |
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Willem
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Hoss is the best by far. Quaternion and unassigned are also definitely top 5. Patrik (best all-round player) is definitely in the top 5 too. Kpr is also in the top 5 imo. His winning rate isn't that high but that's more due to lack of game selection. |
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mconstab
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Willem wrote: | | Hoss is the best by far. Quaternion and unassigned are also definitely top 5. Patrik (best all-round player) is definitely in the top 5 too. Kpr is also in the top 5 imo. His winning rate isn't that high but that's more due to lack of game selection. |
I think they need to split the list into HU and 6max. Interesting that Schneids thinks KPR is the best all round player. |
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Willem
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| My list was for HU, although Hoss is probably also the best in 6-max. |
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nsidestrate
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| mconstab wrote: | | Interesting that Schneids thinks KPR is the best all round player. |
I'm pretty sure that Schneids thinks he is the best all round player, but doesn't want to say that. In 6 max, I think he is the best I've ever seen. |
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mconstab
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| Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| nsidestrate wrote: | | mconstab wrote: | | Interesting that Schneids thinks KPR is the best all round player. |
I'm pretty sure that Schneids thinks he is the best all round player, but doesn't want to say that. In 6 max, I think he is the best I've ever seen. |
Does Schneids play on Full Tilt? I don't remember seeing too much of him on there. FWIW I think KPR is probably the best instructor I've heard closely followed by Oink and Ijay Polanski (Doughnutz). Doughnutz really takes LAG to a new level.
I've noticed Hoss, Benyamine, and Durrr have been playing a bit of limit together recently. Is Durrr that good that he can just throw himself into the mix and hold his own with these guys or is he getting hammered? |
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Skrotnisse
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| mconstab wrote: | | Does Schneids play on Full Tilt? I don't remember seeing too much of him on there. FWIW I think KPR is probably the best instructor I've heard closely followed by Oink and Ijay Polanski (Doughnutz). Doughnutz really takes LAG to a new level. |
The best limit instructors as I like ´em are Bryce, followed by Death Donkey, KPR16 and Stox (when he is not playing 4-tables). I like their voices and their honesty and their involvement and thinking. Oh I like Oink too. (but don´t like the danish accent so much)
I don´t like Doughnutz. He´s always: "Here you can do this ..." (something that seems like the best choice to me) "but I´m gonna do this ..." (the more strange and spewy choice). And no explanetion why! |
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nsidestrate
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| Skrotnisse wrote: | | mconstab wrote: | | Does Schneids play on Full Tilt? I don't remember seeing too much of him on there. FWIW I think KPR is probably the best instructor I've heard closely followed by Oink and Ijay Polanski (Doughnutz). Doughnutz really takes LAG to a new level. |
The best limit instructors as I like ´em are Bryce, followed by Death Donkey, KPR16 and Stox (when he is not playing 4-tables). I like their voices and their honesty and their involvement and thinking. Oh I like Oink too. (but don´t like the danish accent so much)
I don´t like Doughnutz. He´s always: "Here you can do this ..." (something that seems like the best choice to me) "but I´m gonna do this ..." (the more strange and spewy choice). And no explanetion why! |
I'm a huge fan of Bryce. His approach to the game really fits well into my conceptual model and I was able to really adopt of things from him. Doughnutz actually plays a very solid LAG, but it takes some real insight into the game to understand why he does it and I don't personally think he does a great job communicating what that is. He may not be able to put it in words.
I believe I have read on 4 that Schneids plays on Tilt, but I don't know his nick there. |
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jfletcher
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Willem
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| nsidestrate wrote: | | I believe I have read on 4 that Schneids plays on Tilt, but I don't know his nick there. |
Under his own name "Mike Schneider". All lead CR instructors are red pro's on Tilt.
Anyway, everybody always tends to name players who play pretty much the same. I personally think doughnutz and schneids are spewtards. But part of the reason I think that is because my style is different.
I also didn't mentioned Bryce in the top 5. Although I have the utmost respect for him, I simply don't think an exploitative style is really going to cut it at the highest limits. |
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kpr16
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That is a very interesting thread! It's fun to see that the gap of understanding is still large even among some very profitable players. For example, no one will be able to convince me St1ckman is a World Class player, and he is mentioned several times. I could be less critical of plays, but when you've seen dozens of hands where it appears your opponent cannot read relative hand strength whatsoever...
I highly recommend Bryce videos, though I have some slight disagreements with him in areas... Usually it's a matter of him weighting the value of balance less than me and not approaching situations enough globally. As for any other videos out there, it's not as if I'm suggesting I can't learn from them, but I usually watch them more for just critiquing and fine tuning. |
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nsidestrate
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| Willem wrote: | | I personally think doughnutz and schneids are spewtards. |
I would distinguish the two significantly. I think that schneids plays a much more disciplined game than doughnutz, despite both having a similarly aggressive approach. I might be somewhat biased because I used to play schneids a ton back in the old Party days and I enjoyed reading his discussions on 2+2 back when people had substantive hand discussions.
| kpr16 wrote: | | no one will be able to convince me St1ckman is a World Class player, and he is mentioned several times. |
In my opinion, many players tend to think about these questions as if the question asked was "Who puts you in very awkward situations post-flop?" This tends to push people who are very LAG post-flop to the top of their list because in their minds they hate the fact that they have to call them down light. I think that other players get a rep for being more "predictable" when in fact they are getting away with a good number of plays, its just that they work more often than not, so that people don't appreciate when they are getting played as much.
| kpr16 wrote: | | I highly recommend Bryce videos, though I have some slight disagreements with him in areas... |
For me, it is not so much the specific advice about how to play certain situations as it is the proper way to look at and think about poker situations. I can think of no one else who does as effective a job of conveying what I consider to be the "right way" to think about limit poker. I believe that most good players use a similar thought process to Bryce, but few instructors seem to relate that process to students as well.
I should put an asterisk next to that comment, because I have not seen many of the videos out there, including kpr's. |
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