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Willem
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 Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 1:05 pm Post subject: An Omaha-8 hand |
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A hand from a HORSE game. I'm not sure if anyone here plays Omaha 8 but I need to look at this hand a few times anyway so I figure I'd post it here. Any feedback is obviously welcome.
Full Tilt Poker
Limit Omaha Hi/Lo Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
8 players
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Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is CO with    
3 folds, MP2 calls, Hero calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB checks.
This is the only street I am sure of, LOL.
Flop:    (4.5SB, 4 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.
I didn't bet since I feared being counterfeited. This is nonsense of course since I will still have a 65-low if an A or 3 comes. I also have top pair which may even be the best high hand. I should bet here to get rid of high hands to increase my chance to scoop or get 3/4 of the pot.
Turn:  (2.25BB, 4 players)
BB checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, 2 folds.
Same reasoning as on the flop, I should raise here to increase the chance of winning the high side of the pot.
River:  (4.25BB, 2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero calls.
Results:
Final pot: 6.25BB
MP2 showed Qd Ad 3d Jh
Hero showed Ac 3s 6c Kh |
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osmosis21
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| Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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In a four way pot with two players checking I absolutely hate your check on the flop. Try to get the bets in now as there are a lot of turn cards that will come that will make ppl fold who might peel the flop.
(unless the button is over aggro postflop and you dont want him raising your flop bet and instead think you might be able to cr) |
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Willem
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| osmosis21 wrote: | | (unless the button is over aggro postflop and you dont want him raising your flop bet and instead think you might be able to cr) |
Do you suggest going to war on this flop? I think anyone give me significant action also has A3, probably with some good high draws (like a flush draw or a set). I think my equity isn't that good anymore when this becomes a jam fest.
But I agree I should have put in more action on the flop and/or turn. To charge people for drawing to a high hand, or make them fold to increase my chances for high. |
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osmosis21
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I dont suggest going to war in a pretty small pot, which is why I wrote the disclaimer of I would bet UNLESS the button was over aggro and would be probably raising...I woulnt want the other ppl facing two bets, but instead I would be more likely to check raise (if all called the buttons flop bet).
This is the type of board that you could have multiple ppl fighting for high (with a straight or flush draw) and Im happy getting money in with multiple players. If it gets heads up or three way I would proceed depending upon the individual players and how they play their hands....
I think you have a chance of backing in the high here...
| Quote: | | think anyone give me significant action also has A3, probably with some good high draws (like a flush draw or a set). |
I see very poor play in higher limits o8 so wouldnt assume that in a horse .5/1 game. You really would be suprised at how often some ppl just overplay their hand because they dont understand relative value. |
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osmosis21
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| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 10:10 am Post subject: |
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I dont suggest going to war in a pretty small pot, which is why I wrote the disclaimer of I would bet UNLESS the button was over aggro and would be probably raising...I woulnt want the other ppl facing two bets, but instead I would be more likely to check raise (if all called the buttons flop bet).
This is the type of board that you could have multiple ppl fighting for high (with a straight or flush draw) and Im happy getting money in with multiple players. If it gets heads up or three way I would proceed depending upon the individual players and how they play their hands....
I think you have a chance of backing in the high here...
| Quote: | | think anyone give me significant action also has A3, probably with some good high draws (like a flush draw or a set). |
I see very poor play in higher limits o8 so wouldnt assume that in a horse .5/1 game. You really would be suprised at how often some ppl just overplay their hand because they dont understand relative value. |
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Willem
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:27 am Post subject: |
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| osmosis21 wrote: | | I see very poor play in higher limits o8 so wouldnt assume that in a horse .5/1 game. You really would be suprised at how often some ppl just overplay their hand because they dont understand relative value. |
Yeah, I know. I also played some 5/10 LO8 where the play way quite abysmal. Even in the 15/30 games (which I datamined), there are lots of weak players. |
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clabbers
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: |
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| Fundamentally this is a lock low freerolling for a 4, 6 or K to scoop. A or 3 is as likely to get you 3/4 as 0/4, particularly if you push anyone out on the flop or turn. Make them pay to see you hit bad, raise the flop and evaluate the betting for a likely low hand before betting that turn. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| clabbers wrote: | | Fundamentally this is a lock low freerolling for a 4, 6 or K to scoop. A or 3 is as likely to get you 3/4 as 0/4, particularly if you push anyone out on the flop or turn. Make them pay to see you hit bad, raise the flop and evaluate the betting for a likely low hand before betting that turn. |
I completely agree with Clabbers and Osmosis as far as driving the action post flop goes.
I actually disagree with the call pf though and would've popped this one pf with only one caller ahead of you. Without many before you you can start to think that there were not many aces eaten up, and possibly even any 2s. I like my odds with hands like A3xx A2xx when the Ace is suited with another of my cards. That's just my opinion.
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osmosis21
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| Raisindye wrote: | | clabbers wrote: | | Fundamentally this is a lock low freerolling for a 4, 6 or K to scoop. A or 3 is as likely to get you 3/4 as 0/4, particularly if you push anyone out on the flop or turn. Make them pay to see you hit bad, raise the flop and evaluate the betting for a likely low hand before betting that turn. |
I completely agree with Clabbers and Osmosis as far as driving the action post flop goes.
I actually disagree with the call pf though and would've popped this one pf with only one caller ahead of you. Without many before you you can start to think that there were not many aces eaten up, and possibly even any 2s. I like my odds with hands like A3xx A2xx when the Ace is suited with another of my cards. That's just my opinion.
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If I was going to raise it up preflop it would probably be due to the AK as much as the suited ace. With a suited ace I dont mind more ppl in the pot, but if I thought I could isolate its because I want to with a hand that has a good chance of winning high against one other player. |
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clabbers
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: |
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MP2 played in a way that concealed his low hand, and that cost him some money due to the lowly six in your hand. If you somehow still read him for low on turn, checking the turn is correct. If your read him for low plus losing high to a pair of sixes, just keep looking at his cards when he shows them to you, that's just ridiculous.
The starter isn't worth a preflop raise, but such a raise might be valid as a way to mix up your play. About like raising UTG with 87 suited in holdem. |
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