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Schlepper333 1K Club
Joined: 07 Feb 2006 Posts: 1211 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:31 pm Post subject: AJs (BB) vs. UTG Raise |
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Villain is TAGG 16/9/3.8. Hasn't shown down yet.
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.20 Limit Hold'em - 10 players
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Pre Flop: (1.5 SB) Hero is BB with A : J :
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 7 folds, Hero calls
Flop: (4.5 SB) 6 : A : 4 : (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero ??
What's the plan here? Call down? Fold the turn if we don't hit a J? |
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Misunderstud 1K Club
Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 1684 Location: Here, stupid
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: |
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I think you might be better off donking the flop here. He will probably call down with a big PP HU. If you're raised, you need to assess the likelihood of AA/AK-Q vs aggression with a worse hand. (Basically, check the turn UI and decide whether to call down or fold if he bets - based on the stats, I'd fold.) If he just calls, then raises the turn, I'd imagine it's a pretty safe fold too. If he checks behind on the turn, you can bet the river.
Alternatively, and as played, you could c/r the flop and apply much the same reasoning, but I like that slightly less because it should pretty much eliminate any doubt in his mind that you have an A, so may scare off worse hands that would otherwise pay you off. (Having said that, it's probably what I would do, but that is for metagame considerations.) |
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Damo_1 PauliF Fan Club
Joined: 04 Aug 2005 Posts: 1063 Location: Playing sets fast
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Surely this is a WA/WB situation? |
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thew92
Joined: 27 Jul 2005 Posts: 882 Location: Texas
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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I would check raise the flop and lead every street. If the villain shows any more aggression just call down from there. You are really only behind AA, AK, AQ all lilkey hands for the villian but your also ahead of AT, KQ, KK QQ TT 99 88 also in the villians range.
I don't hate the call down either.
Folding is terrible. |
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Schlepper333 1K Club
Joined: 07 Feb 2006 Posts: 1211 Location: Las Vegas
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Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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I did call down, but I do like the C/R play. I guess I have a stigma about the pejorative 'donk bet'. Maybe someone could address 'donk betting' in general. If I hadn't been aware of the shadow surrounding donk betting I would certainly have led out.
BTW villain turned over AQ diamonds. Board was 6c-Ah-4d-8h-3d.
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the_hawk Chelsea FTW!
Joined: 13 Jul 2005 Posts: 4448
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| Schlepper333 wrote: | | Maybe someone could address 'donk betting' in general. |
It's not necessarily bad. Will that do?
| Quote: | | If I hadn't been aware of the shadow surrounding donk betting I would certainly have led out. |
Well now you know.  |
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Misunderstud 1K Club
Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 1684 Location: Here, stupid
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| the_hawk wrote: | | Schlepper333 wrote: | | Maybe someone could address 'donk betting' in general. |
It's not necessarily bad. Will that do?
| Quote: | | If I hadn't been aware of the shadow surrounding donk betting I would certainly have led out. |
Well now you know.  |
Succinct as ever. Welcome back  |
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Bugsbunny Wascally
Joined: 07 Apr 2004 Posts: 7687 Location: Drinking Carrot juice
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Posted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:28 am Post subject: |
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Donk betting can be a pretty powerful tool in the arsenal I like to donk bet, especially in situations that may confuse my opponent. I like to donk bet as a bluff, semi-bluff - but in order for that to work I also need to donkbet real hands.
I'll also donkbet into a preflop raiser wth a marginal hand when I want him to hopefully raise, clear the field, and leave me HU with him for the rest of the hand.
In the hand here there's a number of ways you can play it. You have a TAG raising preflop from EP. If he has an A you're probably dominated. At best you have the same kicker. If the hand wasn't suited I would fold this preflop, as it is the call is fine.
The way I normally play this is:
check/call the flop
check/call the turn.
donk the river. (without more knowledge I call a raise).
Other possibilities include:
c/r the flop, lead the turn
lead the flop, 3 bet if he raises, lead the turn. I might fold to a turn raise here, although it's unusual. But you've shown a lot of strength. This line I prefer for other situations though, more than the type of hand here.
Just call down
Lead the flop, call a raise, then lead the turn.
But standard for me is the first method, against someone that is likely to have a better A. He's also unlikely to raise you if all he has is one pair, but unless you know that for sure you have to call a raise. |
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