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superwomble
Joined: 21 Jun 2007
Posts: 65
Location: Dover, Kent, UK
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 Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:27 am Post subject: Ace high flush |
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Here's a hand from last night I though comments could be interesing for.
I haven't been at the table long, and have pretty much nothing on Villain. He won a nice pot recently with 75o from the BB when he flopped a straight and bet all the way getting called by an idiot with 33.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 Villain (9 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)
UTG ($22.75)
UTG+1 ($4
MP1 ($49.05)
MP2 ($10)
MP3 ($10)
CO ($50)
Hero ($45.25)
SB ($56.45)
Villain ($64.65)
Preflop: Hero is Button with  ,  .
3 folds, MP3 calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50, SB completes, Villain raises to $2, MP3 calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, SB folds.
Called here due to position and if I hit the flop nicely I'll get paid off. If I don't I'm probably giving up.
Flop: ($7)  ,  ,  (4 players)
Villain checks, MP3 bets $4, Hero calls $4, Villain calls $4.
Flopped nut flush draw, but could there be a FH? I know MP3 to be a bluffer so decide to go for the flush.
Turn: ($19)  (4 players)
Villain checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets $5, Villain calls $5, MP3 folds.
2 checks suggests they're both worried by the flush. I go for a value bet.
River: ($29)  (3 players)
Villain bets $20, Hero ? |
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Suited_Jock
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:45 am Post subject: |
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I bet more on the turn probably in the region of $12-15..
On the river I'd make it $40 It is very improbable he has a boat. |
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emmapeel
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Location: Edinburgh
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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Villain has been playing this oddly. He raied pre-flop and then check-called the flop. What hand would do that?
I'm sure the big hands might: JJ, JT or TT. A drawing hand might do this too but not many of them would be raising pre-flop as we have the  .
I think I would be calling the flop too as I have position but I would be a bit worried when villain called too.
I'm betting bigger on the turn. I'm happy to get all the money in now so might as well start here.
On the river I don't think we are beating much. I wish I had bet more on the turn so this wouldn't be so tough. KQ with the  makes some sense. This is close for me as we only need 30% wins to justify the call and we have a big hand. I think I'm calling out of curiosity but folding might be best here.
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superwomble
Joined: 21 Jun 2007
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Location: Dover, Kent, UK
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:59 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the replies. I called as well, and was gutted to see 1010. Fair play to him, he suckered me in nicely. |
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Icall
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Location: NYC
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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Preflop raising a lone limper from the button with A5s suonds a lot better than limping along to me. Once the BB raises to 4x I'm out of the hand since its way too easy I'm dominated and am basically playing solely for the flush against a minstack shorty and Villian.
On the flop I think you should just put the shorty all-in w/ a min-raise, but calling is probably fine too.
Definitely bet more on the turn, you should be assuming you have the best hand here after that action with your hand. Minimum $10.
River looks like a call to me just because he bets so much and its out of nowhere. I'd be worried that he had QJ/QQ/ or some super slowplayed monster like JJ w/ TT a remote possibilty. |
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blah730235
Joined: 02 May 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with the postflop critques. However I had a couple comments on preflop play
| Icall wrote: | | Preflop raising a lone limper from the button with A5s suonds a lot better than limping along to me. Once the BB raises to 4x I'm out of the hand since its way too easy I'm dominated and am basically playing solely for the flush against a minstack shorty and Villian. |
I agree, most of the time you want to raise this preflop. Although I can image some circumstances where limping could be the better option depending on the table and hero's table image.
Comments on the desision v.s. the BB's raise...
It's good to remember that there is not alot of value being had if your ace pairs up on the flop. You could very easily be up against a villan holding A10+ where you are going to wind up in costly barely beat by a kicker situation. You have no reads on villan so this further hurts getting a pair of aces as it will be even tougher to read him postflop without info on how he normally plays. Here's an example, lets say flop comes down AJ2 rainbow and villan cbets he could be taking this line with a hand like KQ or a hand like A10, hero is in the dark.
Also the steal value on the pot is diminished as we don't know if villan plays fit-or-fold. So we don't know if it's checked to us on the flop whether we have a good oppurtiunity to try to stab at the pot or not & if it will even be checked to us on the flop very often.
But...
Hero will flop the flush draw ~ 1:9
Hero has a slight chance of flopping a monster(don't feel like doing the math for this)
I think hero can make up enough post flop in the long-run by folding anything but a monster or flush draw to make up for the negatives I stated. |
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