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A premium pair that doesn't improve in 7 Stud

 
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Holgininho



Joined: 01 Jan 2007
Posts: 468
Location: Essen

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:46 am    Post subject: A premium pair that doesn't improve in 7 Stud Reply with quote

This situation comes up really often: I get dealt a premium pair, I raise, I don't get anybody to fold - even with the full bet being 3 times as high as the bring in -, I don't improve - and don't know what to do. So, how should I play a hand like this?

Thank you. Wink

7 Card Stud High ($3/$6), Ante $0,50, Bring-In $1 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.17 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx 2Diamond:___brings-in___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 4Spade:___calls___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 7Heart:___calls___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 5Heart:___calls___calls
Hero: KClub: 3Club: KHeart:___raises
Seat 6: xx xx 9Club:___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 9Heart:___calls

4th Street - (6.50 SB)

Seat 2: xx xx 4Spade: 5Spade:___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 7Heart: 9Diamond:___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 5Heart: 4Heart:___calls
Hero: KClub: 3Club: KHeart: 5Diamond:___bets
Seat 7: xx xx 9Heart: QClub:___calls

5th Street - (5.75 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 4Spade: 5Spade: 2Heart:___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 7Heart: 9Diamond: TDiamond:___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 5Heart: 4Heart: JSpade:___folds
Hero: KClub: 3Club: KHeart: 5Diamond: 4Club:___bets
Seat 7: xx xx 9Heart: QClub: 7Club:___calls

6th Street - (9.75 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 4Spade: 5Spade: 2Heart: JHeart:___checks
Seat 3: xx xx 7Heart: 9Diamond: TDiamond: TSpade:___checks
Hero: KClub: 3Club: KHeart: 5Diamond: 4Club: TClub:___checks
Seat 7: xx xx 9Heart: QClub: 7Club: KDiamond:___checks

River - (9.75 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 4Spade: 5Spade: 2Heart: JHeart: xx___checks
Seat 3: xx xx 7Heart: 9Diamond: TDiamond: TSpade: xx___checks
Hero: KClub: 3Club: KHeart: 5Diamond: 4Club: TClub: ADiamond:___checks
Seat 7: xx xx 9Heart: QClub: 7Club: KDiamond: xx___checks

Total pot: (9.75 BB)
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Icall
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Joined: 20 May 2004
Posts: 3651
Location: NYC

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hands like this are so typical, I hate them.

I think I'd probably bet 6th when the open TT checks but I'm stubborn with big pairs in Stud.

6th and 7th getting checked around are a good result anyway. Hope you won.
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badboywes
Never Satisfied


Joined: 03 Mar 2007
Posts: 2529
Location: Barstow Ca

PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2007 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I too have been runiing into this type of situation.

In a hand this afternoon I bet until 5th st then checked it down.

I had a hand like Ace of Hearts 9 of Hearts Ace of Clubs, Of course I raised to start the betting when it got to me.

Sometimes thoe if it is a good enough drawing hand with a big pair I like to bet minimum to get more action.

I would like to know if you think that is a bad move on my part?

Also the hand I had ace's on and checked down from 5th st I won.

So maybe I missed some value bets on that particular hand.

I have been playing stud all week and I am up $100 on the 25c 50c stud tables.

Stud seems to be a eazzy game for me but maybe it is just a upswing.
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chrisjp
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Joined: 03 Jun 2004
Posts: 5012
Location: Round Rock, TX and Las Vegas

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got to bet on 6th street. You might have the best hand. Not likely but he may have two high diamonds or he may have started with a low 3 straight and made a gut shot on 4th. Who knows? You want to fold out the players who can't beat TT and yet suck out on the river, either hitting two pair, trips or a gutshot for instance. You have a flush draw too. You've got 6 clubs, one King, one non club 5 and three 3s. And you've seen a lot of cards: 22 in all if I've counted right. You've got a real shot here.

What is the TT guy doing by not betting? That is a very weak play. He may actually only have TT.

Tricky game this stud. That's one reason why I don't play it any more. All those cards to remember. Can drive you crazy.

When I played stud full time I learned you have to be very stubborn with a premium pair. There are times to fold it, but usually not when everyone is being passive. And rarely heads up.

Good luck!

Chris
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Taardvark
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Joined: 14 Feb 2007
Posts: 1137
Location: Fremont, CA

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think 6th is a betting street if for no other reason than to earn a 7th street check down if you don't improve to trips or kings up.

No one else's hand looks particularly threatening from a straight or flush perspective. A lot of players are holding each others outs to bigger hands so you might be good here but against that many opponents, someone might have 2 small pair but are afraid themselves and are willing to check it down.
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Holgininho



Joined: 01 Jan 2007
Posts: 468
Location: Essen

PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taardvark wrote:
No one else's hand looks particularly threatening from a straight or flush perspective. A lot of players are holding each others outs to bigger hands so you might be good here but against that many opponents, someone might have 2 small pair but are afraid themselves and are willing to check it down.


Reading the board gets really hard, when there are so many players still in the hand. I admit I couldn't even tell how many outs to the flush I had exactly, when it was my turn to act.

I think I really have problems to play as aggressive as I should in stud, because I sometimes simply get scared, and I find it much harder to put opponents on a hand than in hold'em.

I actually did win this hand without improving, though I was convinced I was behind on 6th street.

Thanks everyone for their analysis and comments.
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