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76s big stack, 5 left

 
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MrFixxiT



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:07 pm    Post subject: 76s big stack, 5 left Reply with quote

I was bullying the table a bit with my bigger stack. Villain seemed ok, he had some tricky moves earlier. I took the lead from him a couple of rounds earlier (20 to 30 hands before). He was agressive and a little loose.

seat1 is at seat 1 with 937.
seat2 is at seat 2 with 930.
seat3 is at seat 3 with 1,225.
Hero is at seat 7 with 4,915.
Villain is at seat 8 with 1,993.

The dealer is seat 3.

Hero posts a blind of 75.
Villain posts a blind of 150.

(Hero is dealt 7s 6s.)

Pre-flop:
seat1 folds.
seat2 folds.
seat3 folds.
Hero raises 275.
Villain goes all-in for 1,843.


Call or fold?
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ImBetterDude



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Location: California

PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy fold. You're 35% at best to win the pot, and you're getting offered shit odds and don't need the chips. Let the hand go.

PS - This is a great situation for a limp from the SB I think.
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MrFixxiT



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Location: Netherlands

PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you are right. But... he was trying to make a stand I think. I thought for a while and I called.

I think my reasoning was something like: He is probably making a stand. I have some value with this hand if he calls as it won't probably be counterfeit, is connected and suited. And I have him covered plenty, so even if I lose I am still in the game.

Still, this was a long shot probably and I didn't have to gamble. But one question: what if they start calling and raising every bully action / steal I make? I guess I need to stand up myself no?

This was how it went along:

Hero calls $1,568.00

*** SHOW DOWN ***

Hero shows [7s 6s]
Villain shows [3c Qd]

*** FLOP *** [9h 8s Kh]
*** TURN *** [9h 8s Kh] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [9h 8s Kh Qs] [5s]

*** SUMMARY ***
Board: [9h 8s Kh Qs 5s]
Hero collects $3,986.00
Villain finished in place 5

BTW, I sharkscoped him and he was a multitabler at the microlimits. He always plays 2 SnG at once as it seems. Overal he is winning a bit, but that after about 80 games I found there all at $0.50 and $1
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jmbreslin



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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if you think he's just making a stand, your hand still doesn't hold up well to his range. You're a 2-1 dog against overcards and in deep trouble against a PP higher than 66. Best case scenario for you is he's playing something like A2-A5, in which case you're not too far behind. You have to call 1600 more into a pot of about 2300, which is only about 1.5-1.

I also probably complete here and see if he'll let me see the flop. If he throws in a big raise, you can fold and you've only wasted 75 chips.
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ciaran
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shove pre-flop with ATC.
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ciaran
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And, for completeness's sake, you can't necessarily do that profitably vs villains who don't understand what they lose by calling too wide, but he's got to be calling around 30% to make shoving wrong, which is incredibly loose.

I also prefer shoving pre-flop to avoid giving them the idea that you'll ever raise-fold, though if you're playing straightforward enough opponents, you can just raise-fold all the time (knowing that the times the play back and you fold, they legitimately have hands).


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ciaran
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And, as played, calling villain's shove is terrible. Even if he's grossly wide re-shoving, 76s is a big loser as a calling hand.

It is probably about breakeven if he happens to flip over his Q3o, though. Wink
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MrFixxiT



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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ciaran wrote:
It is probably about breakeven if he happens to flip over his Q3o, though. Wink

Laughing Laughing
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chrisjp
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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think this is necessarily just a shove or fold. Your small raise might be defensible against the tightest of opponent.

But it is definitely a fold to his reraise. You can't call with a weak hand here. When you have a big stack you are putting pressure on, but when they play back at you then you have to give it up unless you have something. And 76s is a lousy calling hand.

Anyway, as ciaran says, the standard play is the shove. If he's at all decent he will fold often enough to make this +EV.

Glad that you won the hand. Very Happy

Chris
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