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MrFixxiT
Joined: 01 May 2005 Posts: 126 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:07 pm Post subject: 76s big stack, 5 left |
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I was bullying the table a bit with my bigger stack. Villain seemed ok, he had some tricky moves earlier. I took the lead from him a couple of rounds earlier (20 to 30 hands before). He was agressive and a little loose.
seat1 is at seat 1 with 937.
seat2 is at seat 2 with 930.
seat3 is at seat 3 with 1,225.
Hero is at seat 7 with 4,915.
Villain is at seat 8 with 1,993.
The dealer is seat 3.
Hero posts a blind of 75.
Villain posts a blind of 150.
(Hero is dealt 7s 6s.)
Pre-flop:
seat1 folds.
seat2 folds.
seat3 folds.
Hero raises 275.
Villain goes all-in for 1,843.
Call or fold? |
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ImBetterDude
Joined: 18 Jul 2007 Posts: 747 Location: California
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Easy fold. You're 35% at best to win the pot, and you're getting offered shit odds and don't need the chips. Let the hand go.
PS - This is a great situation for a limp from the SB I think. |
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MrFixxiT
Joined: 01 May 2005 Posts: 126 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 11:12 am Post subject: |
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I think you are right. But... he was trying to make a stand I think. I thought for a while and I called.
I think my reasoning was something like: He is probably making a stand. I have some value with this hand if he calls as it won't probably be counterfeit, is connected and suited. And I have him covered plenty, so even if I lose I am still in the game.
Still, this was a long shot probably and I didn't have to gamble. But one question: what if they start calling and raising every bully action / steal I make? I guess I need to stand up myself no?
This was how it went along:
Hero calls $1,568.00
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Hero shows [7s 6s]
Villain shows [3c Qd]
*** FLOP *** [9h 8s Kh]
*** TURN *** [9h 8s Kh] [Qs]
*** RIVER *** [9h 8s Kh Qs] [5s]
*** SUMMARY ***
Board: [9h 8s Kh Qs 5s]
Hero collects $3,986.00
Villain finished in place 5
BTW, I sharkscoped him and he was a multitabler at the microlimits. He always plays 2 SnG at once as it seems. Overal he is winning a bit, but that after about 80 games I found there all at $0.50 and $1 |
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jmbreslin
Joined: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 933
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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Even if you think he's just making a stand, your hand still doesn't hold up well to his range. You're a 2-1 dog against overcards and in deep trouble against a PP higher than 66. Best case scenario for you is he's playing something like A2-A5, in which case you're not too far behind. You have to call 1600 more into a pot of about 2300, which is only about 1.5-1.
I also probably complete here and see if he'll let me see the flop. If he throws in a big raise, you can fold and you've only wasted 75 chips. |
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ciaran ITH Support
Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 4781 Location: Alpharetta, GA
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Shove pre-flop with ATC. |
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ciaran ITH Support
Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 4781 Location: Alpharetta, GA
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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And, for completeness's sake, you can't necessarily do that profitably vs villains who don't understand what they lose by calling too wide, but he's got to be calling around 30% to make shoving wrong, which is incredibly loose.
I also prefer shoving pre-flop to avoid giving them the idea that you'll ever raise-fold, though if you're playing straightforward enough opponents, you can just raise-fold all the time (knowing that the times the play back and you fold, they legitimately have hands).
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ciaran ITH Support
Joined: 10 Sep 2004 Posts: 4781 Location: Alpharetta, GA
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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And, as played, calling villain's shove is terrible. Even if he's grossly wide re-shoving, 76s is a big loser as a calling hand.
It is probably about breakeven if he happens to flip over his Q3o, though.  |
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MrFixxiT
Joined: 01 May 2005 Posts: 126 Location: Netherlands
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| ciaran wrote: | It is probably about breakeven if he happens to flip over his Q3o, though.  |
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chrisjp Mr. Lovable
Joined: 03 Jun 2004 Posts: 5012 Location: Round Rock, TX and Las Vegas
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Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think this is necessarily just a shove or fold. Your small raise might be defensible against the tightest of opponent.
But it is definitely a fold to his reraise. You can't call with a weak hand here. When you have a big stack you are putting pressure on, but when they play back at you then you have to give it up unless you have something. And 76s is a lousy calling hand.
Anyway, as ciaran says, the standard play is the shove. If he's at all decent he will fold often enough to make this +EV.
Glad that you won the hand.
Chris |
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