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Holgininho
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 Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:31 am Post subject: 7 Stud: Reraise the river? |
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I think this was the most exciting stud hand I've played so far. We even had a nice discussion at the table afterwards. What hand would you put villain on when he raises the river? I didn't have any valuable read on him.
7 Card Stud High ($2/$4), Ante $0,25, Bring-In $1 (converter)
3rd Street - (0.88 SB)
Hero: Q : 3 : Q:___raises
Seat 2: xx xx 4:___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 7:___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 2:___brings-in___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 5:___folds
Seat 6: xx xx J :___calls___calls
Seat 7: xx xx K :___folds
4th Street - (4.88 SB)
Hero: Q: 3: Q: A:___bets
Seat 3: xx xx 7: 6:___calls
Seat 4: xx xx 2: 4:___calls
Seat 6: xx xx J: 6:___calls
5th Street - (4.44 BB)
Hero: Q: 3: Q: A: Q:___bets
Seat 3: xx xx 7: 6: 3:___folds
Seat 4: xx xx 2: 4: 8:___calls
Seat 6: xx xx J: 6: 5:___folds
6th Street - (6.44 BB)
Hero: Q: 3: Q: A: Q: A:___bets
Seat 4: xx xx 2: 4: 8: K:___calls
River - (8.44 BB)
Hero: Q: 3: Q: A: Q: A: T:___bets___raises
Seat 4: xx xx 2: 4: 8: K: xx___raises___calls
Total pot: (14.44 BB) |
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Icall
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| What part of that hand is remotely debatable? |
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Holgininho
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| Icall wrote: | | What part of that hand is remotely debatable? |
The river. It didn't come to my mind it was debatable, until someone at the table started the discussion. He knew (he said after the showdown) that my opponent had kings full.
I basically thought my opponent was a moron drawing to a flush, particularly as there wasn't even a pair showing.
Now the question is: What hand would a reasonable opponent need to raise my board on the river? I'd say kings full, but nevertheless I didn't think he actually had it, when he raised. |
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Icall
53o
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:02 am Post subject: |
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Oh yeah, you had an open 2 pair. I'd still 3 bet that river against an unknown everytime. I guess if you knew the guy was a tightish thinking player then you should call.
I just see such absurd things from people playing Stud that I know I'd lose more bets by assuming unknowns think past first level and slowing down when they shouldn't be betting/raising with a hand that beats my monster than by assuming they're crazy until proven otherwise and capping my big hands out.
A lot of the people I play against will gladly cap straights, flushes, and trips against open 2 pairs on the river all day long. |
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nsidestrate
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| Your hand is pretty obviously a full house, so if he is a good player he could only be raising a better full house. However, at this limit when the guy isn't showing a pair and he was the bring-in, I refuse to put him on the boat and I three-bet the river too. There are plenty of Stud players stupid enough to raise the flush here. |
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chillrob
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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No idea how anyone could but him on kings full, especially when a K was folded on third street. Even so, you could have easily had aces full. I don't know exactly what cards the guy started out with, but he was possibly drawing to one out on the last card and unlikely played this well at all.
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Taardvark
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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| chillrob wrote: | No idea how anyone could but him on kings full, especially when a K was folded on third street. Even so, you could have easily had aces full. I don't know exactly what cards the guy started out with, but he was possibly drawing to one out on the last card and unlikely played this well at all.
Rob |
I agree, especially since we saw a king die on 3rd. At these levels, many players play their hand without really paying attention to your hand. He could very well have hit a flush and without really paying attention to your hand start jamming it.
Did you perhaps recently throw out a bluff or beat him in a big pot? Maybe he thinks you are only playing aces up here and has trips (8's maybe?).
If you did in fact lose to kings full, that's pretty bad luck. I think you played this hand well. I would have certainly put in as many raises as possible in the river. |
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Holgininho
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| Taardvark wrote: | | Did you perhaps recently throw out a bluff or beat him in a big pot? Maybe he thinks you are only playing aces up here and has trips (8's maybe?). |
No, I didn't. I try not to bluff and not to semi-bluff too often in Stud, given my very limited skill and the looseness of most players this doesn't make much sense to me. He brought it in on 3rd and showed down kings full of deuces. The Cryptos rearrange the cards at showdown to make it easier to read your opponents' hands, so I don't even know wht hand he started out with. |
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