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blah730235
Joined: 02 May 2008 Posts: 216
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:34 am Post subject: 3betting light |
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MP1 & CO are TAGs
sb & bb are tight
Hero table image is nit
.01/.02 NL full ring holdem all stacks ~ 100bbs
Hero is on the button and holds
2 folds, MP1 raises $0.10, 2 folds, CO calls $0.10, hero raises $0.30, 2 folds, MP1 calls, CO calls
***FLOP***
MP1 checks, CO checks, Hero bet $0.60, MP1 folds, CO folds |
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Damo_1 PauliF Fan Club
Joined: 04 Aug 2005 Posts: 1063 Location: Playing sets fast
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:06 am Post subject: |
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Don't really like it. Most TAG's don't open up their range until the hijack or CO positions so I'd prefer just to call with a speculative hand and the button. Also, MP1 has opened for 5bb, which is a considerable size. Is it standard for this game and limit? However if you do try to squeeze light here you have to reraise by at least the pot - which would be to $0.53+. If you want to rep a big hand play it like one and utilise the fold equity of a big 3bet. You wouldn't put in a small reraise withh AA and give you opponents a cheap chance to outflop you?
As played I think I check as i doubt either player is going to fold AQ or KQ after a weak PF reraise, and your hand can't stand a C/R. If you bet the best you can hope for is to get pocket pairs 99-JJ to fold (and obv hands you are beating) so taking a free card seems best to me. |
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blah730235
Joined: 02 May 2008 Posts: 216
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: |
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All good points but i'm a little confused as to 'betting the size of the pot preflop' the blinds make $0.03 and the $0.10 bet & $0.10 call make the pot $0.23
Also opening for 5bb happens alot at these stakes I wouldn't read to much into that. |
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Soultwister
Joined: 19 May 2006 Posts: 433
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Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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A pot sized raise is calculated by adding up the amount in the pot + the amount bet raised in the round + the amount you have to call, counted twice. That would mean that a pot sized reraise here would be .23 + .10 + .10 + .10 for a total of $.53.
An easier way to calculate it but which does not give correct results when the pot has already been reraised before you is 3x raise size + money already in the pot, which comes down to .30 + .23 here, for the same result.
The problem here with 100BB stacks and the large initial raise, combined with the limit and the absolute value of the money here, makes this a pretty bad spot to 3bet. First of all, people may be bad enough to call with hands like AQ/AJ/TT in this spot, second, the pot will be so large on the flop that even if you flop something of a draw or pair you got 0% fold equity, which those hands need to make them profitable (or good implied odds which are only possible when there's lots of money behind).
In short, 3betting here is not a good option, the large open size combined with the standard 100BB effective stack sizes makes the best possible play quite easy: fold preflop.
| Quote: | | Also opening for 5bb happens alot at these stakes I wouldn't read to much into that. |
That still is quite important. When those raise sizes are standard your big card hands go up in value and suited connectors go down in value with 100BB stack sizes. This means that you need to wait till the effective stack sizes become slightly larger, so to around 140BB or so, before considering calling here, and much larger, around 180BB+, before even considering 3betting.
Even so, my advice would be to leave fancy plays like these out of your play at these limits. People will be making huge preflop errors here even, not to forget about postflop mistakes which are even more important, so a tight solid approach based on hand equity and showdown winnings are significantly more important at these stakes than working on polarizing ranges, folding equity and non-showdown winnings.
| Quote: | | As played I think I check as i doubt either player is going to fold AQ or KQ after a weak PF reraise, and your hand can't stand a C/R. If you bet the best you can hope for is to get pocket pairs 99-JJ to fold (and obv hands you are beating) so taking a free card seems best to me. |
Definitely agree with that analysis. |
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emmapeel 2K Club
Joined: 05 Feb 2006 Posts: 2533 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:32 am Post subject: |
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If I'm trying a 3 bet or squeeze play with a weakish hand I need to have a reason for doing this. Suited connectors and small pairs won't hit often so I would need to think that I can get my opponents to fold more often.
In the hand I would need to think that I can get both opponents to fold a good amount of time to try the squeeze play here. I think I would re-raise a bit bigger too.
After representing so much strength pre-flop it's worth using that to make a bet on the flop. We may even be ahead here but have outs if we are not. Again, I'm betting a bit bigger here though.
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blah730235
Joined: 02 May 2008 Posts: 216
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Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| Looks like i've had a huge leak in my raise amount. I never really went through and researched what the proper amount to raise was. Much thanks. Haha should be interesting to see if my bb/100 will increase in the hands to come. |
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