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Cheesehead
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 Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:08 pm Post subject: 2nd hand of a 180, 99 against an MP limper when 225 flops |
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10+$1 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP3 (t1300)
CO (t1520)
Button (t1440)
Cript (SB) (t1480)
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1300)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1960)
Preflop: Cript is SB with  , 
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t20, MP1 calls t20, 4 folds, Cript calls t10, BB checks
Flop: (t80)  ,  ,  (4 players)
Cript bets t60, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls t60, MP1 raises to t300, Cript ponders... |
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ImBetterDude
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| I'd be folding quickly. It's SOOO early, no need to be gambling with 99 in this spot. |
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PauliF
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:00 am Post subject: |
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cowboyfan
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 10:54 am Post subject: |
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Most people won't raise 22 or 55 here. I think you're just as likely, if not more so, to see 66-88 here as you are TT-QQ. AA is a very small possibility, but I would say about the same as A5. Not to mention you might see some odd bluff sometimes as well.
I'm probably shoving here and making a good set of notes on the villain and firing up the next one if I'm beat. |
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Cript
Cheesehead
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: |
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| ImBetterDude wrote: | | I'd be folding quickly. It's SOOO early, no need to be gambling with 99 in this spot. |
What range do you put him on that makes folding such a good idea? |
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Cheesehead
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| Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| cowboyfan wrote: | Most people won't raise 22 or 55 here. I think you're just as likely, if not more so, to see 66-88 here as you are TT-QQ. AA is a very small possibility, but I would say about the same as A5. Not to mention you might see some odd bluff sometimes as well.
I'm probably shoving here and making a good set of notes on the villain and firing up the next one if I'm beat. |
I can't see TT-AA limping here after a UTG limp...just me. |
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ciaran
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:52 am Post subject: |
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UTG+1 is an issue here too, no?
I don't know on the 2nd hand. If the play is bad enough in these that he can have 43 and/or A5, then getting it in looks fine. Of course, if the play is that bad, then this shouldn't really be a question.
FWIW, it starts getting a lot closer if he can have A2 but not 43. |
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Cript
Cheesehead
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:02 am Post subject: |
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| ciaran wrote: | UTG+1 is an issue here too, no?
I don't know on the 2nd hand. If the play is bad enough in these that he can have 43 and/or A5, then getting it in looks fine. Of course, if the play is that bad, then this shouldn't really be a question.
FWIW, it starts getting a lot closer if he can have A2 but not 43. |
I kinda had UTG+1 on the same range. I had to think if he'd limped a big hand that he'd have popped the flop. Instead, it seemed like a mid pair or something like A5s. |
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ciaran
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| I think UTG+1 is more likely to have 55 or the 2. But he's also much more likely to have KQ or something random. Problem being, of course, that you won't find out until you commit more chips. |
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emmapeel
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Safest is to fold here.
Calling will mean that Hero is out of position with a difficult hand to play. It is already looking like Hero may have to risk all the chips with a pair of 9's should he continue.
Very difficult though as Hero may have the best hand but I think it's safest to fold here.
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emmapeel
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Pushing is the option for me as calling looks yukky.
I can't put villain on a big range but someone can always have a 2 as it is a limped pot.
I think I'm still folding as pushing will risk so much for so little. I agree that pushing might be best though.
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toronexti
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| What exactly is calling a push that you actually beat? |
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Cript
Cheesehead
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| toronexti wrote: | | What exactly is calling a push that you actually beat? |
66-88, A5 |
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