200 PLO - KQJ9ds

[poker_Elmo]

Villain is multitabling PLO on stars - so I assume he is decent.





I can't fold, can I? So call or reraise?





PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com





UTG ($690.20)


Hero (MP) ($210.05)


CO ($276.90)


Button ($402.35)


SB ($457)


BB ($200)





Preflop: Hero is MP with , , ,


1 fold, Hero bets $7, 1 fold, Button raises to $22, 2 folds, Hero ????

[mchilger]

No way can you fold. My default play would be to call. However, if I know my opponent and knows that he 3-bets light - then a 4-bet is a consideration.





Matthew

[poker_Elmo]

When someone reraises, if a 1-tabler, I figure they have aces 65+% of the time. When a reg reraises, it can be other things, but it is often aces. So here I flop a monster - 9 straight outs with an additional 8 flush outs.





What is the best way to play this if we think he has aces?





What is the best way to play this if we think there is a strong chance he does not have aces?





What is the best play?








PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com





UTG ($690.20)


Hero (MP) ($210.05)


CO ($276.90)


Button ($402.35)


SB ($457)


BB ($200)





Preflop: Hero is MP with , , ,


1 fold, Hero bets $7, 1 fold, Button raises to $22, 2 folds, Hero calls $15





Flop: ($47) , , (2 players)


Hero ????

[felt fishing]

I would not fold here either. I would call. Your hand is just too strong to fold. The raise from the BTN says he has something (unless he is floating). Reraising would only create a bigger pot. He might 4-bet. While a good hand, the more I play, the more I feel that controlling the size of the pot is important before the flop because the flop better defines your hand. It is not like Holdem where AA preflop against one player is an 85% favorite to win.





In this case after seeing the flop, betting out half of the pot seems to me to be the best play. You are out of position and he can put a move on you by reraising which would leave you in a tought spot, but, not that much more than you are already in. You are drawing.... As Jeff said, Omaha is played 99% on the draw. Semi Bluffing here seems right. You want more information but you don't want the pot to get out of control unless you are willing to go allin.





Hope this helps,


Jim

[WWJfergusonD]

Out of position I do not 4-bet this. If we do, we're either getting all-in pre-flop, or we're committed to just about every flop ever. I call the 3-bet, see the flop with SPR being 4 and going from there.





This could be an isolation play on his part. Without any more info, I would usually make AAxx a big part of his range here.





On this flop you're 50:50 with aces (provided he doesn't have one or both of your flush draws). He probably doesn't suspect you have them.


With no other information to go on (his c-bet tendencies, how strongly he would play a miss here)...if you've been checking into PFRs a lot, I would check intending to raise here. If you've been donking, I would donk hoping to 3-bet all-in. You have nailed this flop (though he may have as well).

[Joseppi]

I don't know what i like here.





Check call keeps the pot small and doesn't leave you making a tough decision if the board pairs. But it's also VERY weak IMO





Check/raising makes a massive pot and makes you a ton of money if you hit and beat him.





I think i lead at this flop and i'm not scared to go broke with this hand on this flop. But i play PLO cause i want to gamble a little and make HUGE pots.

[gollyheck]

Call pre I guess.





Flop is tough. If he does have AA then he probably has the nut spade draw like at least half the time. ( has the As 2/3) In which case you aren''t in great shape.





If you lead you don't get folds from any better hands or much action from worse hands I wouldn't think. So check/call.

[realmaniac]

u even looked at his 3bet% rate preflop? i fwiw have about 9% so it means i 3bet alot in position and i dont care if i have aces or some other playable hands so i depends hard on that stat.





as played i check raise the flop and try to get it in

[poker_Elmo]

[JLucPicard]

Two things i don't like:





1) You must play oop


and


2) You draw only to the second nut flush





If a spade comes on the turn - what do you do?





If you raise on the flop i believe you will win a small pot or lose a big one.

[JUURGEN]

-- nothing too add, just a convulated rant, i'll save ya'll fromreading it.





i like a shove

[antneye]

I like bet/get it in.

[WWJfergusonD]

[poker_Elmo]

Thanks for the comments - here is the rest.





The only other thing that went through my mind when deciding is that I also had a backdoor flush draw as well. I figure a backdoor FD is worth about 2 extra outs.





PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com





UTG ($690.20)


Hero (MP) ($210.05)


CO ($276.90)


Button ($402.35)


SB ($457)


BB ($200)





Preflop: Hero is MP with , , ,


1 fold, Hero bets $7, 1 fold, Button raises to $22, 2 folds, Hero calls $15





Flop: ($47) , , (2 players)


Hero checks, Button bets $38, Hero raises to $110, Button raises to $306, Hero calls $78.05 (All-In)





Turn: ($423.10) (2 players, 1 all-in)





River: ($423.10) (2 players, 1 all-in)





Total pot: $423.10 | Rake: $3





Results:


Button mucked , , , (three of a kind, Aces).


Hero had , , , (flush, King high).


Outcome: Hero won $420.10

[toom]

Preflop: Against almost anyone, the 3bet is AAxx. KQJ9 double suited is a huge ace-cracker hand. I call every time. The only difference here is that Elmo noticed villain is multi-tabling, and has doubled up. That suggests he is at least decent and might be very good. That widens his range somewhat, but AAxx is still a huge part of it. For that very reason, I don't 4bet, giving him an opportunity to make this all-in preflop which he'd prefer. Rolf Slotboom has taught "us" to get at least 1/3 of our stack in preflop with aces, then a flop shove is almost always mathematically correct. If we call, villain only gets 10% of effective stacks in - we win this round. Further, I am better than villain (I may not be, but that's my thought process). I want to know 7/9ths of the cards so I can make the better decisions.





On the flop, there is no single hand that villain can have that I'm afraid of except for top set, a similar straight draw, and a better flush draw. I want the chips IN.





As played,