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cowboyinexile
Joined: 28 Mar 2005
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Location: South Dakota
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 Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject: Whats my move here? |
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Live game Tuesday night-stacks are approximate. CO is a maniac and SB I would consider the best player at the table (myself included in cash games), but he had taken a couple of beats and was starting to tilt. He doesn't tilt that often.
UTG (me) $100
MP1
MP2
CO $60
BN
SB $120
BB
blinds .25-.50
Preflop-
I look down to see   and I limp. Two folds to CO who calls. I fold to SB who makes it $10 to go. BB folds and its my action, so what is my move? I know CO isn't that strong, yet has a wide range and my read on SB is that he has a medium strength pp. Whats my move? |
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Neilis
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| You fold. The villain is good, you're out of position and you don't have implied odds to continue. Add to the fact that you have a maniac still to act who might not have that good a hand but does have a mildly shortish stack and could potentially do something dumb like shoving. |
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Soultwister
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Fold, no thought about it. After villain's silly reraise you have to realize that 55 only dominates 3 hands, is a marginal favorite over some other hand he plays like that, and is crushed by anything else.
Especially after limping, with almost no money committed to the pot, it should be a very easy fold.
*edit* Raise/fold preflop though, I do not see much use in limping, even with the current table dynamics. My order of play here would be raise/fold (very close) and I do not think it matters much EV wise. I see no +EV in limping, so I would not take that route 6-handed. |
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Taardvark
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Location: Fremont, CA
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This is a pretty easy fold. calling 20 BB preflop is not a good idea and you don't have implied odds to hit a set.
Also, if CO really is a maniac he is probably going to play and you'll be playing against a maniac and a tilter after the flop and it will likely be very difficult to know where you are at in the hand on just about any board that doesn't hold a five.
Wait for a better spot to let these two spew off chips to you. |
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jfletcher
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Joined: 24 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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When good players tilt, I don't think the way they tilt is by throwing out gigantic overbets with the hopes of making everyone else fold so they can win a few pennies. What's the point of that? My guess is he's actually got a hand and wants you think he's tilting. More likely, he wants the maniac to think he's tilting.
No reason to do anything but fold here.
A more likely version of good-player-tilt would be something like going all-in on the flop when there is already a decent sized pot out there to win. Then they'll show top pair and say "No one was sucking out on me this time." |
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jfletcher
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| Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Soultwister wrote: | | *edit* Raise/fold preflop though, I do not see much use in limping, even with the current table dynamics. My order of play here would be raise/fold (very close) and I do not think it matters much EV wise. I see no +EV in limping, so I would not take that route 6-handed. |
I see the logic for a raise, but I don't know why you'd ever fold a pocket pair in an unraised pot against run-of-the-mill live opponents in a deep game. The implied odds are huge if you hit your set, and you are losing next-to-nothing by limping. He's got a 200 BB stack.
If you limp you have to be careful of how big of a raise you call. As in this case, $10 is too big. I think I'd call up to maybe $3. |
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