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Suited_Jock
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Joined: 20 Sep 2004
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 Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: nl50 FR : Turned straight on flush board against Nit |
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Villain is 9/3 over 300 hands real nit
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
9 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG Xeops ($69.30)
UTG+1 Sackboy ($10.00)
MP1 BigFritz333 ($49.50)
MP2 Cryno ($5.40)
MP3 Hero ($59.70)
CO marki7 ($20.00)
BTN HeisT10 ($10.00)
SB 7-cold-As-iCE-6 ($49.50)
BB sdz9393y ($59.75)
[marki7 posted $0.5]
Pre-flop: ($1.25, 9 players) Hero is MP3  
Xeops raises to $2.25, 3 folds, Hero calls $2.25, marki7 calls $1.75, 3 folds
Flop:    ($7.50, 3 players)
Xeops bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, marki7 calls $3.50
Turn:  ($18, 3 players)
Xeops bets $9.50, Hero raises to $19, marki7 folds, Xeops raises to $28.50, Hero goes all-in $53.95, Xeops calls $25.45
River:  ($125.90, 2 players)
Final Pot: $125.90 |
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Soultwister
Joined: 19 May 2006
Posts: 429
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| Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Seeing these bet/raise sizes hurts my eyes!
Anyways, while I am not often raising an OESD on a flush board, since I do not want to get it in, I am raising on this board when villain leads so weak. Less than half pot cbet on a somewhat drawy board does not seem strong to me at all.
I do not mind calling here either, but that is so I can rep the flush as well should it hit. On the turn, the flush does hit and villain makes yet another small bet.
Why do you minraise on the turn here? Do you want villain to draw cheaply towards a flush? And when he min-reraises, why get it in? It's obvious you have absolutely no fold equity here after a minreraise, so in my mind it's better to just call and see what the river brings. If the river is another spade, villain could bet and you can safely fold, and if it isn't, he may just check-call an overpair or even bet it himself.
It may give some tough river spots but nothing that terrible. If he holds JJ here and the board pairs without a spade and he bets again it's probably fine to pay him off.
In this spot you really have to pot control without further info, but first of all I do not understand why you minraise the turn, and second, with 300 hands on the nit you should atleast have some info about what the small bet sizes from villain mean. |
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BigViking
Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 541
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | And when he min-reraises, why get it in? It's obvious you have absolutely no fold equity here after a minreraise, so in my mind it's better to just call and see what the river brings. |
Though I agree with your comments about betsizing, this makes absolutely no sense to me. Think about the Villain's range here as a 9/3. If he hasn't been completely card dead over the sample, he's got AA/KK here 95% of the time. Against that range, are you really looking for fold equity on the turn? Just get it in now instead of losing value on the river. You can potentially make an incorrect fold on the river and what if the river is a spade and he checks, what's your play? You can be pretty certain he's willing to get it in on the turn, you never know on the river. |
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