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TShadyBaby
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 Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:02 pm Post subject: NL Holdem Bankroll |
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| I getting ready to switch to NL cash games. I not sure how many rebuys I should start out with for proper bankroll management. I am starting out at the small cash games then see what happens. Any suggestions? |
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Maiden
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| 15-20 buy-ins is about standard I think. |
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Willem
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| Maiden wrote: | | 15-20 buy-ins is about standard I think. |
Is this full ring or 6-max? With Limit, you roughly need 40% more bankroll for 6-handed games because of the increased variance. So that would be roughly 30 buy-ins for 6-max NL. |
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TShadyBaby
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| Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| NL 9 and 10 handed tables. |
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emmapeel
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| Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:35 am Post subject: |
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I agree that 20 is about the standard advice given, but you might want to go for the much safer amount of 45 to start of with for a couple of reasons.
1/ You need to find out if you are winning at the game you are playing in. Bankroll advice always assumes that you are one of the better players.
2/ Losing a large chunk of your bankroll can cause some people to play badly. Having a bankroll of 20 and then losing half of that might affect your play. Losing ten buy-ins is quite a common thing even if losing 20 is very rare.
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pokerpro2202
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:53 am Post subject: |
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It depends on which strategy you wanna play...
There is a smallstackstrategy (20BB buy in) and a bigstackstrategy (100BB buy in).
If you wanna play shortstackstrategy,you should play only premium hands,and I'd prefer an at least 35-40 buy in bankrollmanagement.
For the bigstackstrategy,20 buy in's are enough.. |
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MXRider
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:56 am Post subject: |
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For the bigstackstrategy,20 buy in's are enough.. |
Mostly true, if you are a winning player. OP has no clue if that is the case yet. |
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Willem
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:12 am Post subject: |
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| pokerpro2202 wrote: | It depends on which strategy you wanna play...
There is a smallstackstrategy (20BB buy in) and a bigstackstrategy (100BB buy in).
If you wanna play shortstackstrategy,you should play only premium hands,and I'd prefer an at least 35-40 buy in bankrollmanagement.
For the bigstackstrategy,20 buy in's are enough.. |
Exactly how profitable can a 20BB strategy be in NL? And in NL 6-max?
I sometimes use the 20BB strategy when I'm playing Pot Limit Omaha but only in full ring games when the blind pressure is lower. Also, in Omaha, preflop hand values are much closer so it's easier to become a money favorite if you manage to create some dead money. And, people are usually looser in PLO, making it easier to create that dead money.
Do you also limp-raise in NL with a 20BB stack and if so, what hands do you do it with? ATo? 65s? 44? |
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pokerpro2202
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:30 am Post subject: |
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No,of course only at fullring tables,he said,9 or 10 player tables..
I also said,only premium hands...
so 65s and 44 are easy fold there..
AT (suited and offsuit) depends on the position..
In late position and blindbattles you can raise it,but in UTG it's and easy fold..
So you play only 99+;AQ+ and AJ and AT depends on the position...
I'd also prefer to leave the table when you are 10BB profit on the table...
Of course you shuld multitable this upto 8 tables,because you play only 6-7% of your hands... |
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emmapeel
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Shortstack bankroll.
I haven't seen an idea for this but here's mine.
You can't really say that a shortstack should count as a full buy-in as you are going to lose this money more often. Neither do I think that a simple $ idea will work too as you are going to lose less when you get stacked and are restricting your loses.
1/ First work out a normal bankroll. For example: for NL100 that might be 20 buy-ins or $2000.
2/ Choose your shortstack and find the average percentage between that and your full buy-in. So in the above example, If your full buy-in was $100 (100%) and your shortstack was $20 (20%) then the average would be 60%. (100%+20%/2)
3/ Multiply with your original bankroll to get your short-stack buy-in. So 60%*$2000 = $1200. This is your approximate shortstack bankroll.
This is just a rough judgement and I'm happy to adjust it if there is more information out there. This idea is what I'll be using at the moment though.
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randycouture
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| I'll try to do that! |
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doubleup
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 8:02 am Post subject: |
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See the sticky at the top for Bankroll FAQ and scroll down to the post made by Checkmate in regards to NL. It's good info and that's what I go by...mostly.  |
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