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Rubeskies
Joined: 28 Aug 2008
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 Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:15 am Post subject: $50NL, 88, I donk vs reraise |
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BTN is slightly loose aggressive.
PokerMind $25 NL Hold 'em
6max table, 6 handed
Hand created by PokerMind SuperConverter
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Stacks:
Hero (MP): $48.50
CO: $12
Button: $102
SB: $23.50
BB: $49.50
UTG: $74
PREFLOP: Hero is MP with  
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.50, CO folds, Button raises to $4, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.50
FLOP:    (2 players, $8.35 total pot)
Hero bets $4.25 |
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Fenris78
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Joined: 16 Jan 2006
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Location: Germany
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:12 am Post subject: |
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Can't say much about preflop. I don't like playing 88 out of position against a 3bet but since his reraise is rather small I don't completely hate a call. Personally I would probably fold unless villain was pounding on me relentlessly. But even in that case I would rather look for a hand like T9s and bluff 4bet him preflop (or wait for a hand like AK, JJ+ and 4bet/call). In any case you will find yourself in a tough situation post flop.
I really hate the flop play though. A 1/2 pot donk bet says "Please raise me so I can safely fold my mediocre hand". And most LAGs will just do that when you donk weakly into them making it impossible for you to continue unless you plan to stack off with your 8s, which surely isn't a good idea. Also, what do you do if he just calls you on the flop?
So what would be a better plan for the flop? Honestly I have no idea, which is why I hate playing 88 against a 3bet out of position so much. Of course if you check-call the flop you have no idea where you stand on the turn and you will have to face another tough decision on the turn. So overall I think a donk bet isn't the worst idea on this flop, but you really need to bet bigger, like close to pot. Now if villain still raises your pot sized bet on the flop you can feel much better about folding your hand. If he flats I would be very cautious and maybe even check-fold the turn because I just don't see him floating a pot sized bet with overcards.
Anyways I hope you see how important bet sizing is, as a bigger bet cuts down on the options available to villain. A small bet allows him to make many moves like bluff raising or floating you, while a bigger bet forces him to play more straight forward. |
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Rubeskies
Joined: 28 Aug 2008
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the great response. I'm a super newb at NL and I need all the advice I can get. |
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Soultwister
Joined: 19 May 2006
Posts: 433
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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I like a CR much better here, but I need info about villain's postflop habits before I'm calling 88 OOP vs him.
A CR here will turn your hand into a bluff, but this is the perfect board to do it on. Obviously, he's never going to fold an overpair here, but a CR tells him "I got a good made hand or something like KQ of spades, but I ain't going anywhere. I may be blufing but it's goin to costs your stack to find out." while a donkbet indeed tells what Fenris mentioned. Villain can own you in many different ways, either by raising or floating.
I actually do not mind a donkbet here vs some players but only when you are planning to get it in. I lead quite often lately, and do it with quite some hands. I'd lead sets here a decent bit of the time, KQ now and then, and AA should I decide to mix it up a bit. The reason I do so is because I want to find out how people respond to it. Some people will call a decent sized donklead (like $6) with their strong overpairs, and raise with their overcards and weak overpairs because they feel I should be weak. What that means is that on such a dry board they'll raise TT, perhaps JJ, all flushdraws which are rare, and call with all their real strong hands. So when I suspect they play like that I will lead-3bet allin here with 88 even because there are so few holdings that will raise that actually beat me.
One thing though, if you do not know much about villain's postflop habits, folding here preflop beats calling. |
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